Discussion:
Musical Artists That Should Have DVDs Out But Don't
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Todd Tamanend Clark
2003-09-11 16:19:46 UTC
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MUSICAL ARTISTS THAT SHOULD HAVE DVDS OUT BUT DON'T:

[Concert Films, Television Appearances, Videos]

Berlin
Blue Cheer
Brule
Captain Beefheart
Cecil Taylor
Die Warzau
Frank Zappa
Gravity Kills
Iggy Pop/The Stooges
Indigenous
Jefferson Airplane
Jim Pepper
John Cage
Laurie Anderson
Link Wray
Max Frost And The Troopers
Missing Persons
My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult
Ornette Coleman
Paul Revere And The Raiders
Peter Buffett
R. Carlos Nakai
Rahsaan Roland Kirk
Redbone
Rob Zombie
Screamin' Jay Hawkins
Sparks
Stabbing Westward
The Byrds
The Crystal Method
The Fugs
The Lords Of The New Church
The Thirteenth Floor Elevators
The Tubes
X
Yma Sumac

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TODD TAMANEND CLARK
Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian
Primal Pulse (Label-Publisher-Studio)
The Monongahela River, Turtle Island

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Now Available:
Staff, Mask, Rattle (2-CD: Instrumental, 2002)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc2
Owls In Obsidian (CD: Instrumental, 2000)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc

Forthcoming:
Monongahela Riverrun (CD: Instrumental, 2003)

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"American radio listeners, raised on a diet of ___ (fill in the blank)
have experienced a musical universe so small they cannot begin
to know what they like."
- - Frank Zappa
mpomario
2003-09-11 18:12:37 UTC
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Definately Zappa. I have a few bootlegs that I bought at a guitar show and
there was tons more. Good stuff too.
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
[Concert Films, Television Appearances, Videos]
Berlin
Blue Cheer
Brule
Captain Beefheart
Cecil Taylor
Die Warzau
Frank Zappa
Gravity Kills
Iggy Pop/The Stooges
Indigenous
Jefferson Airplane
Jim Pepper
John Cage
Laurie Anderson
Link Wray
Max Frost And The Troopers
Missing Persons
My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult
Ornette Coleman
Paul Revere And The Raiders
Peter Buffett
R. Carlos Nakai
Rahsaan Roland Kirk
Redbone
Rob Zombie
Screamin' Jay Hawkins
Sparks
Stabbing Westward
The Byrds
The Crystal Method
The Fugs
The Lords Of The New Church
The Thirteenth Floor Elevators
The Tubes
X
Yma Sumac
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TODD TAMANEND CLARK
Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian
Primal Pulse (Label-Publisher-Studio)
The Monongahela River, Turtle Island
- - - -
Staff, Mask, Rattle (2-CD: Instrumental, 2002)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc2
Owls In Obsidian (CD: Instrumental, 2000)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc
Monongahela Riverrun (CD: Instrumental, 2003)
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"American radio listeners, raised on a diet of ___ (fill in the blank)
have experienced a musical universe so small they cannot begin
to know what they like."
- - Frank Zappa
luminos
2003-09-11 21:37:08 UTC
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Orff
Barber
Bernstein
Mahler
Post by mpomario
Definately Zappa. I have a few bootlegs that I bought at a guitar show and
there was tons more. Good stuff too.
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
[Concert Films, Television Appearances, Videos]
Berlin
Blue Cheer
Brule
Captain Beefheart
Cecil Taylor
Die Warzau
Frank Zappa
Gravity Kills
Iggy Pop/The Stooges
Indigenous
Jefferson Airplane
Jim Pepper
John Cage
Laurie Anderson
Link Wray
Max Frost And The Troopers
Missing Persons
My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult
Ornette Coleman
Paul Revere And The Raiders
Peter Buffett
R. Carlos Nakai
Rahsaan Roland Kirk
Redbone
Rob Zombie
Screamin' Jay Hawkins
Sparks
Stabbing Westward
The Byrds
The Crystal Method
The Fugs
The Lords Of The New Church
The Thirteenth Floor Elevators
The Tubes
X
Yma Sumac
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TODD TAMANEND CLARK
Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian
Primal Pulse (Label-Publisher-Studio)
The Monongahela River, Turtle Island
- - - -
Staff, Mask, Rattle (2-CD: Instrumental, 2002)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc2
Owls In Obsidian (CD: Instrumental, 2000)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc
Monongahela Riverrun (CD: Instrumental, 2003)
- - - -
"American radio listeners, raised on a diet of ___ (fill in the blank)
have experienced a musical universe so small they cannot begin
to know what they like."
- - Frank Zappa
The Plumply Perverse Pool Guy
2003-09-11 22:26:48 UTC
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Jimmy Buffet (with captioning of lyrics for the late deafened Parrot Head)!
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Scott
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Yea, verily: Who is that, prowling over the candy store! It is Scott, hands
clutching two hardened pitas! He bellows vengefully:
"As sure as predators devour prey, I destroy all in my path like the world's
mightiest bad-ass!"
Doc Shock
2003-09-11 22:39:01 UTC
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ZZ Top
Post by The Plumply Perverse Pool Guy
Jimmy Buffet (with captioning of lyrics for the late deafened Parrot Head)!
--
TTFN
Scott
Deaf Does NOT Equate Daft ... in other people's cases.
Moderator of a "Buffy The Vampire Slayer" List
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/-Buffy-/
Moderator/Owner of HandiBooks
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HandiBooks/
Yea, verily: Who is that, prowling over the candy store! It is Scott, hands
"As sure as predators devour prey, I destroy all in my path like the world's
mightiest bad-ass!"
Myth
2003-09-11 22:49:29 UTC
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Post by Doc Shock
ZZ Top
I just love their "Plays the Music of Duke Ellington" arranged by Wynton M.
Post by Doc Shock
Post by The Plumply Perverse Pool Guy
Jimmy Buffet (with captioning of lyrics for the late deafened Parrot
Head)!
Post by The Plumply Perverse Pool Guy
--
TTFN
Scott
Deaf Does NOT Equate Daft ... in other people's cases.
Moderator of a "Buffy The Vampire Slayer" List
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/-Buffy-/
Moderator/Owner of HandiBooks
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HandiBooks/
Yea, verily: Who is that, prowling over the candy store! It is Scott,
hands
Post by The Plumply Perverse Pool Guy
"As sure as predators devour prey, I destroy all in my path like the
world's
Post by The Plumply Perverse Pool Guy
mightiest bad-ass!"
kinograph
2003-09-14 20:43:47 UTC
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Orff, Bernstein, and Mahler are all represented on DVD - and there are
several versions of the Barber of Seville :-)
Post by luminos
Orff
Barber
Bernstein
Mahler
Evil
2003-09-11 22:19:11 UTC
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Queensryche: Video Mindcrime.
Myth
2003-09-11 22:52:12 UTC
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Post by Evil
Queensryche: Video Mindcrime.
This looks like the beginning of a new subgroup, rec.music.heavybluenote,
????
Invid Fan
2003-09-12 01:19:42 UTC
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Post by Evil
Queensryche: Video Mindcrime.
Operation LiveCrime is out, the dvd version of the old box set.
--
Chris Mack "Refugee, total shit. That's how I've always seen us.
'Invid Fan' Not a help, you'll admit, to agreement between us."
-'Deal/No Deal', CHESS
Pullit
2003-09-11 23:17:48 UTC
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Berlin actually have a DVD coming out later this year. As far as I know it
is a live performance with the new lineup - not sure if there will be extras
like the old 80s videos etc...
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
[Concert Films, Television Appearances, Videos]
Berlin
Blue Cheer
Brule
Captain Beefheart
Cecil Taylor
Die Warzau
Frank Zappa
Gravity Kills
Iggy Pop/The Stooges
Indigenous
Jefferson Airplane
Jim Pepper
John Cage
Laurie Anderson
Link Wray
Max Frost And The Troopers
Missing Persons
My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult
Ornette Coleman
Paul Revere And The Raiders
Peter Buffett
R. Carlos Nakai
Rahsaan Roland Kirk
Redbone
Rob Zombie
Screamin' Jay Hawkins
Sparks
Stabbing Westward
The Byrds
The Crystal Method
The Fugs
The Lords Of The New Church
The Thirteenth Floor Elevators
The Tubes
X
Yma Sumac
- - - -
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian
Primal Pulse (Label-Publisher-Studio)
The Monongahela River, Turtle Island
- - - -
Staff, Mask, Rattle (2-CD: Instrumental, 2002)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc2
Owls In Obsidian (CD: Instrumental, 2000)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc
Monongahela Riverrun (CD: Instrumental, 2003)
- - - -
"American radio listeners, raised on a diet of ___ (fill in the blank)
have experienced a musical universe so small they cannot begin
to know what they like."
- - Frank Zappa
ric
2003-09-12 05:15:53 UTC
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[...snip]

Again, our resident twit has linked five otherwise unrelated NGs
together via a crosspost. All groups will be forced to observe
the replies from the four others.

Sigh...
--
Better than hearing "Lady Day", or checking in at Monterey...
Todd Tamanend Clark
2003-09-12 11:41:12 UTC
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Our resident twat and anonymous coward (using the newsgroup
[...snip]
Again, our resident twit has linked five otherwise unrelated
NGs together via a crosspost.
They're not unrelated. They discuss various types of music that
are on the list.
All groups will be forced to observe the replies from the four
others.
Subsequent posters are free to delete any newsgroups they so
choose from the headers.
Sigh...
Boo fucking hoo.

Don't cry.

If you don't like the posts, simply skip over them.
Mike C.
2003-09-12 16:48:19 UTC
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Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
Our resident twat and anonymous coward (using the newsgroup
[...snip]
Again, our resident twit has linked five otherwise unrelated
NGs together via a crosspost.
They're not unrelated. They discuss various types of music that
are on the list.
All groups will be forced to observe the replies from the four
others.
Subsequent posters are free to delete any newsgroups they so
choose from the headers.
Sigh...
Boo fucking hoo.
Don't cry.
If you don't like the posts, simply skip over them.
But none of the groups discuss *all* of the styles of music in the list.
Very little jazz content, AFAIK. You keep listing useless lists and
crosspost them to unrelated and generally uninterested newsgroups, wasting
bandwidth. Other than the discussion of *some* type of music,
rec.music.industrial and rec.music.bluenote have nothing in common. Even a
mental deficient can see that alt.video.dvd and alt.music.bluenote have
nothing in common.

If we have to skip over posts that aren't appropriate for the newsgroup, why
have a subject specific newsgroup at all? Why not just have an overall
newsgroup where anyone can post whatever they want, without regards to
interest?
--
Mike C.
"And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who
could
not hear the music."
--Friedrich Nietzsche
Veni Vidi Exii
2003-09-12 20:10:13 UTC
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Post by Mike C.
If we have to skip over posts that aren't appropriate for
the newsgroup, why have a subject specific newsgroup at
all? Why not just have an overall newsgroup where anyone
can post whatever they want, without regards to interest?
Snuh?
--
-Chris

np: Russian Futurists - When The Sun Drops Like An Anvil
"The 80s sucked in the 80s, and they still suck now."
-Shakey Mo Collier
Todd Tamanend Clark
2003-09-13 05:52:55 UTC
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Post by Mike C.
But none of the groups discuss *all* of the styles of music in
the list.
So what?
Post by Mike C.
Very little jazz content, AFAIK.
Nine of the thirty-six artists listed play jazz, which equals
twenty-five per cent, right on the money when considering that
there were four musical genres posted.
Post by Mike C.
You keep listing useless lists...
That's merely a subjective value judgment on your part. Whenever
I get tired of making lists and take a break from time to time,
I invariably get requests for more lists, so someone must like
them.
Post by Mike C.
... and crosspost them to unrelated and generally uninterested
newsgroups, wasting bandwidth.
Wrong. I am always very careful to post on topic.
Post by Mike C.
Other than the discussion of *some* type of music,
rec.music.industrial and rec.music.bluenote have nothing in common.
That's pretty funny considering that I'm currently working on my
eleventh album combining exactly those two styles of music.
Post by Mike C.
Even a mental deficient can see that alt.video.dvd and
alt.music.bluenote have nothing in common.
Ground control to space cadet! Come in, Major Mike!

I guess all those DVDs I have in my collection by Miles Davis,
Sun Ra, The Doors, Art Pepper, and Thelonious Monk, among others,
are a figment of my imagination?
Post by Mike C.
If we have to skip over posts that aren't appropriate for the
newsgroup, why have a subject specific newsgroup at all?
It's still my contention that my posts ARE appropriate.

You and Ric are venturing very close to Zedland by attempting to
play jazz nazi netcop.
Post by Mike C.
Why not just have an overall newsgroup where anyone can post
whatever they want, without regards to interest?
There's always that option, too.

Anarchy and chaos are not without their charm!

- - - -
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian
Primal Pulse (Label-Publisher-Studio)
The Monongahela River, Turtle Island

- - - -
Now Available:
Staff, Mask, Rattle (2-CD: Instrumental, 2002)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc2
Owls In Obsidian (CD: Instrumental, 2000)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc

Forthcoming:
Monongahela Riverrun (CD: Instrumental, 2003)

- - - -
"Smash the control images! Smash the control machine!"
- - William S. Burroughs
ric
2003-09-13 19:50:59 UTC
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Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
That's merely a subjective value judgment on your part. Whenever
I get tired of making lists and take a break from time to time,
I invariably get requests for more lists, so someone must like
them.
Gee...I can't remember any such requests coming from rec.music.bluenote.
They must have all been via direct email, no? <g>
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
You and Ric are venturing very close to Zedland by attempting to
play jazz nazi netcop.
We're just among those that are sick of reading replies to your "lists"
from rec.music.industrial or alt.music.psychedelic, for example, showing
up on rec.music.bluenote.

If you must post these lists, try multi-posting. That way the "psychedelic"
replies don't show up on bluenote.
--
Better than hearing "Lady Day", or checking in at Monterey...
Alex Temple
2003-09-15 03:23:43 UTC
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Post by ric
We're just among those that are sick of reading replies to your "lists"
from rec.music.industrial or alt.music.psychedelic, for example, showing
up on rec.music.bluenote.
If you must post these lists, try multi-posting. That way the "psychedelic"
replies don't show up on bluenote.
Here's what I deduce from this thread:

Industrial fans and psych fans are perfectly happy to talk about jazz,
but jazz fans really don't want to hear about psych or industrial.
Experimental music fans consist only of experimental musicians, because
the only posts in r.m.e are crossposts or ads. Hmm.
--
Alex Temple
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http://www.isomerica.net/~electricwalrus
"Memes don't exist. Tell your friends."
Girl the Bourgeois Individualist
2003-09-15 22:59:06 UTC
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Post by Alex Temple
Post by ric
We're just among those that are sick of reading replies to your "lists"
from rec.music.industrial or alt.music.psychedelic, for example, showing
up on rec.music.bluenote.
If you must post these lists, try multi-posting. That way the "psychedelic"
replies don't show up on bluenote.
Industrial fans and psych fans are perfectly happy to talk about jazz,
but jazz fans really don't want to hear about psych or industrial.
And are such fucking hypocrites that they'll crosspost complaints and
arguments about crossposting! Some of us may or may not be interested in the
original topic, but I sure have ZIP interest in the netcopping of
rec.music.bluenote.

Girl.
ric
2003-09-16 05:21:08 UTC
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Post by Girl the Bourgeois Individualist
And are such fucking hypocrites that they'll crosspost complaints and
arguments about crossposting! Some of us may or may not be interested in the
original topic, but I sure have ZIP interest in the netcopping of
rec.music.bluenote.
Girl.
Well, Girl, if you and others would only identify which NG you are
responding from, I'd be more than happy to direct my response to you
there. BTW, your ire was with rmb, but you posted your "wisdom" to
five groups nonetheless. Why?
--
Better than hearing "Lady Day", or checking in at Monterey...
Girl the Bourgeois Individualist
2003-09-16 18:24:27 UTC
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Post by ric
Post by Girl the Bourgeois Individualist
And are such fucking hypocrites that they'll crosspost complaints and
arguments about crossposting! Some of us may or may not be interested in the
original topic, but I sure have ZIP interest in the netcopping of
rec.music.bluenote.
Girl.
Well, Girl, if you and others would only identify which NG you are
responding from, I'd be more than happy to direct my response to you
there. BTW, your ire was with rmb, but you posted your "wisdom" to
five groups nonetheless. Why?
Because you all wandered into the bearpit that is RMI and shall suffer the
consequences!!!

Either that, or I felt like it.

Girl.
ric
2003-09-16 20:08:42 UTC
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Post by Girl the Bourgeois Individualist
Because you all wandered into the bearpit that is RMI and shall suffer the
consequences!!!
Either that, or I felt like it.
Girl.
Try Midol.
--
Better than hearing "Lady Day", or checking in at Monterey...
Girl the Bourgeois Individualist
2003-09-16 22:05:09 UTC
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Post by ric
Post by Girl the Bourgeois Individualist
Because you all wandered into the bearpit that is RMI and shall suffer the
consequences!!!
Either that, or I felt like it.
Girl.
Try Midol.
Stick it, I told you what ng it was, yet you're still xposting. Makes you a
hypocrite too. Nyah, nyah.

Girl.
ric
2003-09-16 22:28:27 UTC
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Post by Girl the Bourgeois Individualist
Stick it, I told you what ng it was, yet you're still xposting. Makes you a
hypocrite too. Nyah, nyah.
Girl.
And you posted to how many groups?

Pot -> kettle -> black.
--
Better than hearing "Lady Day", or checking in at Monterey...
Girl the Bourgeois Individualist
2003-09-17 18:58:12 UTC
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Post by ric
Post by Girl the Bourgeois Individualist
Stick it, I told you what ng it was, yet you're still xposting. Makes you a
hypocrite too. Nyah, nyah.
Girl.
And you posted to how many groups?
Pot -> kettle -> black.
Oh, dahlink, everyone's a hypocrite.

Girl.
Stephen Cooke
2003-09-18 23:11:31 UTC
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Post by Girl the Bourgeois Individualist
Post by ric
Post by Girl the Bourgeois Individualist
Stick it, I told you what ng it was, yet you're still xposting. Makes you
a
Post by ric
Post by Girl the Bourgeois Individualist
hypocrite too. Nyah, nyah.
Girl.
And you posted to how many groups?
Pot -> kettle -> black.
Oh, dahlink, everyone's a hypocrite.
I prefer: Pot -> smoking -> Bjork.

swac
Mike C.
2003-09-15 05:14:22 UTC
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--
Mike C.
"And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who
could
not hear the music."
--Friedrich Nietzsche
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
Post by Mike C.
But none of the groups discuss *all* of the styles of music in the list.
So what?
Now you're on jazz content... ;-)

Since you're so smug in this response, I guess I'll have to get down to
child's definitions for you. Newsgroups are subject-specific groups. People
come here because they want to read and chat about jazz. Some topics get
into some different areas, but they can be traced back to a jazz subject,
usually can be traced within the thread. However, crossposting to unrelated
newsgroups is generally frowned upon, as there aren't a helluva lot of
members of rec.music.industrial that want to discuss "The World According to
John Coltrane", and rightfully so. I happen to like other types of music
immensely, and I could even draw a thin line to some of this music by
playing the "improvisational music" card, but out of respect for the group,
I don't bother. If I want to talk about funk music, I'll find a funk
newsgroup to chat with.

Since none of the groups included discuss *all* of the styles of music in
your list, then it becomes obvious that you are posting information that is
innappropriate for at least some of the groups. That's "so what".
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
Post by Mike C.
Very little jazz content, AFAIK.
Nine of the thirty-six artists listed play jazz, which equals
twenty-five per cent, right on the money when considering that
there were four musical genres posted.
Are they jazz recordings? Additionally, why would you post four musical
genres to a one-genre newsgroup? This isn't inappropriate to the purpose of
the newsgroup?
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
Post by Mike C.
You keep listing useless lists...
That's merely a subjective value judgment on your part. Whenever
I get tired of making lists and take a break from time to time,
I invariably get requests for more lists, so someone must like
them.
Bullshit. Non-provable, and a red herring.
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
Post by Mike C.
... and crosspost them to unrelated and generally uninterested
newsgroups, wasting bandwidth.
Wrong. I am always very careful to post on topic.
Wrong. Not on topic at all. Next.
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
Post by Mike C.
Other than the discussion of *some* type of music,
rec.music.industrial and rec.music.bluenote have nothing in common.
That's pretty funny considering that I'm currently working on my
eleventh album combining exactly those two styles of music.
And when you do, I'm sure some will be happy to discuss it here. If it
concerns jazz, then it's on topic. Most people would agree that there is not
relation between jazz music and hockey, but if you record a CD playing jazz
standards in a hockey rink, then it will be more on topic. Posting about
either jazz or hockey is going to be some type of off topic, if you
crosspost to this group and to a hockey group. Until that recording is made,
there really isn't a very appropriate line between rec.music.bluenote and
alt.hockey.
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
Post by Mike C.
Even a mental deficient can see that alt.video.dvd and
alt.music.bluenote have nothing in common.
Ground control to space cadet! Come in, Major Mike!
One group discusses music and one group discusses videos. Of course the
groups can cross, as there can be videos about and/or including jazz topics.
However, unless you are discussing *jazz* dvds, the subject will have
nothing to do with what members tend to come here to talk about. Unless you
are talking about jazz *dvds*, you will be discussing a subject that is not
of much interest to alt.video.dvd. Do you join book clubs to discuss
volleyball techniques? I mean, ground control to space cadet, there *are*
books about volleyball, aren't there? Why *wouldn't* a volleball aficionado
try to change the subject to volleyball, even if the topic of discussion is
Edgar Allen Poe?
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
I guess all those DVDs I have in my collection by Miles Davis,
Sun Ra, The Doors, Art Pepper, and Thelonious Monk, among others,
are a figment of my imagination?
No, but a jazz video about The Doors certainly is.
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
Post by Mike C.
If we have to skip over posts that aren't appropriate for the
newsgroup, why have a subject specific newsgroup at all?
It's still my contention that my posts ARE appropriate.
You and Ric are venturing very close to Zedland by attempting to
play jazz nazi netcop.
Ned tries to control what can be and what cannot be considered jazz. All I'm
saying is that it seems you have no idea what the FAQ for this group states.
It's not a law, it's a general set of courtesies toward the people who post
here. We're here to talk about jazz. If you go to a Kiwanis meeting to talk
about women's issues, you're going to annoy people. Unless your goal is to
annoy people, you're in the wrong place.
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
Post by Mike C.
Why not just have an overall newsgroup where anyone can post
whatever they want, without regards to interest?
There's always that option, too.
Anarchy and chaos are not without their charm!
So that's to say you *are* here to annoy people...
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
- - - -
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian
Primal Pulse (Label-Publisher-Studio)
The Monongahela River, Turtle Island
- - - -
Staff, Mask, Rattle (2-CD: Instrumental, 2002)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc2
Owls In Obsidian (CD: Instrumental, 2000)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc
Monongahela Riverrun (CD: Instrumental, 2003)
- - - -
"Smash the control images! Smash the control machine!"
- - William S. Burroughs
Todd Tamanend Clark
2003-09-15 19:44:16 UTC
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Post by Mike C.
Since none of the groups included discuss *all* of the styles of
music in your list, then it becomes obvious that you are posting
information that is innappropriate for at least some of the groups.
Why are you so anally obsessive about such rigid categories?

The very best music transcends genres.
Post by Mike C.
Are they jazz recordings?
Often they have elements of jazz.
Post by Mike C.
Additionally, why would you post four musical genres to a one-genre
newsgroup?
There you go again with those narrow-minded boundaries.
Post by Mike C.
This isn't inappropriate to the purpose of the newsgroup?
No.

Who appointed you the moderator of an unmoderated newsgroup?
Post by Mike C.
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
Post by Mike C.
Other than the discussion of *some* type of music,
rec.music.industrial and rec.music.bluenote have nothing in common.
That's pretty funny considering that I'm currently working on
my eleventh album combining exactly those two styles of music.
And when you do, I'm sure some will be happy to discuss it here.
If it concerns jazz, then it's on topic.
I've already made ten previous recordings that contain all four of
the genres that this thread is posted to. The first one was released
in 1975.

How familiar are you with how fervently Frank Zappa smashed musical
genre boundaries, often within the same song?
Post by Mike C.
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
I guess all those DVDs I have in my collection by Miles Davis,
Sun Ra, The Doors, Art Pepper, and Thelonious Monk, among others,
are a figment of my imagination?
No, but a jazz video about The Doors certainly is.
It's my contention that The Doors, as well as The Mothers Of
Invention, Captain Beefheart, Pere Ubu, Spirit, and several other
so-called rock groups, are more akin to jazz groups with rock
leanings. Certainly, Ray Manzarek's and Robby Krieger's solo albums
are clearly jazz.
Post by Mike C.
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
Post by Mike C.
If we have to skip over posts that aren't appropriate for the
newsgroup, why have a subject specific newsgroup at all?
It's still my contention that my posts ARE appropriate.
You and Ric are venturing very close to Zedland by attempting to
play jazz nazi netcop.
Ned tries to control what can be and what cannot be considered jazz.
As do you in your own way.
Post by Mike C.
All I'm saying is that it seems you have no idea what the FAQ for
this group states.
I'll gladly go read it.
Post by Mike C.
It's not a law, it's a general set of courtesies toward the people
who post here. We're here to talk about jazz.
So am I. I love jazz. Especially all the avant-garde artists that
Zed despises.
Post by Mike C.
If you go to a Kiwanis meeting to talk about women's issues, you're
going to annoy people.
Some serious social activists should break down those sexist barriers.
Post by Mike C.
Unless your goal is to annoy people, you're in the wrong place.
Not specifically annoy, just to encourage some free thinking.

You might want to consider me the iconoclastic Anti-Zed.

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Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian
Primal Pulse (Label-Publisher-Studio)
The Monongahela River, Turtle Island

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Now Available:
Staff, Mask, Rattle (2-CD: Instrumental, 2002)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc2
Owls In Obsidian (CD: Instrumental, 2000)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc

Forthcoming:
Monongahela Riverrun (CD: Instrumental, 2003)

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- - William S. Burroughs
Crudbreeder
2003-09-15 21:07:48 UTC
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Todd Tamanend Clark wrote:
<snip>
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
You might want to consider me the iconoclastic Anti-Zed.
Or just yet another braindead crossposter.

--
"I am SMP system but wine no fastest from mono procesor system, if wine
use
all prosesor or only one"
Mike C.
2003-09-15 22:42:29 UTC
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Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
Post by Mike C.
Since none of the groups included discuss *all* of the styles of
music in your list, then it becomes obvious that you are posting
information that is innappropriate for at least some of the groups.
Why are you so anally obsessive about such rigid categories?
The very best music transcends genres.
I'm not anally obsessive about anything. The nature of newsgroups is to
discuss topics, not "transcending genres". If you want to talk about
transcending genres, create a newsgroup that discusses this. Read the FAQ
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
Post by Mike C.
Are they jazz recordings?
Often they have elements of jazz.
Not an answer. Many wouldn't agree to your version of "elements of jazz",
and we're here to discuss jazz, not industrial music or whatever. There's
nothing wrong with discussing it, just not here.
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
Post by Mike C.
Additionally, why would you post four musical genres to a one-genre
newsgroup?
There you go again with those narrow-minded boundaries.
Narrow-minded or not, they are the boundaries that are the foundation of
newsgroups. I didn't create the group, but those who come here expect to
discuss jazz. If you want to discuss four musical genres, go to a group that
discusses those four musical genres.
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
Post by Mike C.
This isn't inappropriate to the purpose of the newsgroup?
No.
Yes.
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
Who appointed you the moderator of an unmoderated newsgroup?
No one. I read the FAQ, like anyone with half a brain could do.
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
Post by Mike C.
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
Post by Mike C.
Other than the discussion of *some* type of music,
rec.music.industrial and rec.music.bluenote have nothing in common.
That's pretty funny considering that I'm currently working on
my eleventh album combining exactly those two styles of music.
And when you do, I'm sure some will be happy to discuss it here.
If it concerns jazz, then it's on topic.
I've already made ten previous recordings that contain all four of
the genres that this thread is posted to. The first one was released
in 1975.
How familiar are you with how fervently Frank Zappa smashed musical
genre boundaries, often within the same song?
I am very familiar with how he did this. I don't care, however, and his
music is not a style that generally fits in this newsgroup.
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
Post by Mike C.
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
I guess all those DVDs I have in my collection by Miles Davis,
Sun Ra, The Doors, Art Pepper, and Thelonious Monk, among others,
are a figment of my imagination?
No, but a jazz video about The Doors certainly is.
It's my contention that The Doors, as well as The Mothers Of
Invention, Captain Beefheart, Pere Ubu, Spirit, and several other
so-called rock groups, are more akin to jazz groups with rock
leanings. Certainly, Ray Manzarek's and Robby Krieger's solo albums
are clearly jazz.
Robby Krieger was playing the guitar for 6 months before playing with the
Doors. They were certainly not a jazz group. It's my contention that those
groups are all rock groups with some jazz leanings. Not enough to call them
jazz, however. That's subjective, of course, but if you want to discuss
that, that makes more sense. At least you'd be addressing jazz and what
makes a jazz group.
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
Post by Mike C.
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
Post by Mike C.
If we have to skip over posts that aren't appropriate for the
newsgroup, why have a subject specific newsgroup at all?
It's still my contention that my posts ARE appropriate.
You and Ric are venturing very close to Zedland by attempting to
play jazz nazi netcop.
Ned tries to control what can be and what cannot be considered jazz.
As do you in your own way.
Post by Mike C.
All I'm saying is that it seems you have no idea what the FAQ for
this group states.
I'll gladly go read it.
Post by Mike C.
It's not a law, it's a general set of courtesies toward the people
who post here. We're here to talk about jazz.
So am I. I love jazz. Especially all the avant-garde artists that
Zed despises.
Post by Mike C.
If you go to a Kiwanis meeting to talk about women's issues, you're
going to annoy people.
Some serious social activists should break down those sexist barriers.
Nothing sexist about it. It's an interest group. No one's banned from
getting their fair share of anything. It's just a place for people with a
certain interest to talk about those interests. Like this newsgroup. We're
not here to talk about Captain Beefheart, we're here to talk about jazz
artists. Talk to someone else about what defines the artists. However, if
you feel the need to crosspost to several newsgroups, you're probably not
addressing the interests of the group.
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
Post by Mike C.
Unless your goal is to annoy people, you're in the wrong place.
Not specifically annoy, just to encourage some free thinking.
We're not here to learn about free thinking, as it pertains to musical
styles. We're here to discuss jazz. If we want to deal with more free
thinking, we're all perfectly able to leave the computer and discuss other
subjects with others. This is an interest group. It's not my only interest,
but I find it counter-productive to talk about R&B, camping, and hiking in
this interest group.
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
You might want to consider me the iconoclastic Anti-Zed.
I consider you a troll, which is more like Zed, and I can certainly find
examples of others who think even lower of you.
--
Mike C.
"And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who
could
not hear the music."
--Friedrich Nietzsche
Alex Temple
2003-09-15 03:21:29 UTC
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Post by Mike C.
Other than the discussion of *some* type of music,
rec.music.industrial and rec.music.bluenote have nothing in common.
There are some artists I can imagine being discussed in both. Free
improv, mainly.
--
Alex Temple
fiber_optiq NO @ SPAM yahoo PLEASE .com
http://www.isomerica.net/~electricwalrus
"Memes don't exist. Tell your friends."
curry wuerstel
2003-09-12 18:01:46 UTC
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the worst part is a lot of the OLDER groups mentioned did have killer
laserdiscs of the videos issued over the year, especially in JAPAN. i
still come across some stuff i didn't even know existed on ebay.

there is some hope, it seems always that the EU issues stuff on DVD
much quicker when it comes to offbeat artists. i've found more
interesting stuff on amazon.co.uk & .de than i ever do here in the US.

only time will tell if someone will ante up and slap some of these
guy's material on a DVD, i just hope they take the care to remaster
them so when you do buy it, it isn't still in mono or sound like it
was mastered off of a 2 head VCR.

mike
Thomas Bell
2003-09-24 00:22:21 UTC
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Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
[Concert Films, Television Appearances, Videos]
(snip)
Post by Todd Tamanend Clark
The Lords Of The New Church
This band has the "Live in London" video from the "Is Nothing Sacred"
tour in '83 available on dvd. It's pretty hard to find and may even be
out of print, but it goes on eBay for only 15 - 20 bucks which is about
list price. There was some talk from Brian James about releasing a show
from 1984 that was broadcast in the UK at the time on dvd, but nothing
concrete.

Other rock artists I'd like to see include:

ZZ Top (live shows)
Gary Moore (new live dvd coming out in October, but I'd like to see his
older home video releases too)
Van Halen (I'd love to see any show from the Roth era on dvd)
Cramps
Iron Maiden (Live After Death *needs* to be remastered for dvd)
Hanoi Rocks

T.B.
Brian Bernardini
2003-09-28 12:45:52 UTC
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Mike Keneally
Kevin Gilbert
Stuart Davis
The Samples (although it's coming)
The Tubes
Frank Zappa (they've been saying they're coming for years)


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