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Negativland's Don Joyce Linked to Paganism
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a***@gmail.com
2007-09-15 04:13:07 UTC
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By DAVID DEUTSCH
Press Writer
September 14, 2007 at 20:30:8 PDT

Controversial Rock Band Linked to Paganism, Rituals

PADANG, Indonesia (MA) - A member of the controversial rock group
Negativland has been linked with leaders inside of the 'paganism'
movement, a loosely-knit network that enacts subtly-veiled re-
creations of pagan human sacrifice rituals.

Press sources have revealed that Negativland member Don Joyce has been
closely linked with a group of pagans responsible for the enactment of
literally hundreds of pagan ritual re-creations, featuring, among
other things, a 'sex tent' deemed unsafe by public health and safety
committees.

Joyce has been closely linked with Douglass St. Clair Smith, a known
pagan. Smith has been deemed a leader of a group of pagans who hold
celebrations at a festival known as Starwood, which makes prominent
use of satanic symbols such as pentagrams. Leaders within the movement
stay in warm, comfortable accomodations, while the often-penniless
adherents sleep in tents, and use outdoor latrines.

"There's been a lot of chatter in the system between Joyce, and key
members of the paganism movement", remarked David Vanderzandt, a noted
researcher of the pagan community for the past twenty years, and an ex-
pagan who rejected the movement for Christianity. Vanderzandt says
that Joyce and pagan leader Smith have been close associates for a
long time.

"When I see these clowns doing adjoining radio shows, and attempting
to conceal the connection between members of Negativland, Pacifica
Radio, and the pagan community, I want to stop and ask these guys -
'who are you kidding'?", Vanderzandt said.

In addition to Joyce's connection with Smith, numerous other clues
abound throughout Negativland's work. "If you look at the cover, for
example, of the Negativland album 'Jam Con '84', you will see a
blatant representation of the so-called 'Green Man', a well-known
emmanation of Satan, and basically synonymous with the god Pan,"
Vanderzandt said.

In addition to more familiar pagan ritual re-creations like Burning
Man, pagans participate in other lesser-known rituals, said to include
in some cases actual human sacrifice.

Smith's Church of the Subgenius is no stranger to controversy: This
year, a top cleric, Kevin Underwood, was arrested for the brutal
murder and attempted cannibalization of a 10 year old girl.

Readers are urged to use caution whenever dealing with members of the
paganism movement. Known for their use of brain-damaging chemicals at
rituals, pagan behavior is said to be uncertain, and often
unpredictable.


Press writer Hakim Zakki contributed to this report from Oakland,
California.
Rev Carter
2007-09-15 04:47:25 UTC
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By DAVID DEUTSCH
Press Writer
September 14, 2007 at 20:30:8 PDT
Controversial Rock Band Linked to Paganism, Rituals
PADANG, Indonesia (MA) - A member of the controversial rock group
Negativland has been linked with leaders inside of the 'paganism'
movement, a loosely-knit network that enacts subtly-veiled re-
creations of pagan human sacrifice rituals.
Press sources have revealed that Negativland member Don Joyce has been
closely linked with a group of pagans responsible for the enactment of
literally hundreds of pagan ritual re-creations, featuring, among
other things, a 'sex tent' deemed unsafe by public health and safety
committees.
Joyce has been closely linked with Douglass St. Clair Smith, a known
pagan. Smith has been deemed a leader of a group of pagans who hold
celebrations at a festival known as Starwood, which makes prominent
use of satanic symbols such as pentagrams. Leaders within the movement
stay in warm, comfortable accomodations, while the often-penniless
adherents sleep in tents, and use outdoor latrines.
"There's been a lot of chatter in the system between Joyce, and key
members of the paganism movement", remarked David Vanderzandt, a noted
researcher of the pagan community for the past twenty years, and an ex-
pagan who rejected the movement for Christianity. Vanderzandt says
that Joyce and pagan leader Smith have been close associates for a
long time.
"When I see these clowns doing adjoining radio shows, and attempting
to conceal the connection between members of Negativland, Pacifica
Radio, and the pagan community, I want to stop and ask these guys -
'who are you kidding'?", Vanderzandt said.
In addition to Joyce's connection with Smith, numerous other clues
abound throughout Negativland's work. "If you look at the cover, for
example, of the Negativland album 'Jam Con '84', you will see a
blatant representation of the so-called 'Green Man', a well-known
emmanation of Satan, and basically synonymous with the god Pan,"
Vanderzandt said.
In addition to more familiar pagan ritual re-creations like Burning
Man, pagans participate in other lesser-known rituals, said to include
in some cases actual human sacrifice.
Smith's Church of the Subgenius is no stranger to controversy: This
year, a top cleric, Kevin Underwood, was arrested for the brutal
murder and attempted cannibalization of a 10 year old girl.
Readers are urged to use caution whenever dealing with members of the
paganism movement. Known for their use of brain-damaging chemicals at
rituals, pagan behavior is said to be uncertain, and often
unpredictable.
Press writer Hakim Zakki contributed to this report from Oakland,
California.
David Deutsch wrote this? The Israeli physicist? Where was this
published? Who the hell is David Vanderzandt? If he's a "noted"
researcher of something why aren't there notes referring to him
anywhere? And press writer Hakim Zakki? Don't you mean Zakki Hakim?

Despite these flaws this article is an excellent example of good
journalism speaking truth to power.

-Rev Carter
a***@gmail.com
2007-09-15 04:53:57 UTC
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Who the hell is David Vanderzandt? If he's a "noted"
researcher of something why aren't there notes referring to him
anywhere?
There are notes referring to him.
Pisces
2007-09-15 05:06:33 UTC
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Who the hell is David Vanderzandt? If he's a "noted"
researcher of something why aren't there notes referring to him
anywhere?
There are notes referring to him.
OH!

My brain read that as Jimmy Van Zandt!

I need to get more sleep I think!
SODDI
2007-09-15 05:06:30 UTC
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By DAVID DEUTSCH
Press Writer
September 14, 2007 at 20:30:8 PDT
Controversial Rock Band Linked to Paganism, Rituals
PADANG, Indonesia (MA) - A member of the controversial rock group
Negativland has been linked with leaders inside of the 'paganism'
movement, a loosely-knit network that enacts subtly-veiled re-
creations of pagan human sacrifice rituals.
Press sources have revealed that Negativland member Don Joyce has been
closely linked with a group of pagans responsible for the enactment of
literally hundreds of pagan ritual re-creations, featuring, among
other things, a 'sex tent' deemed unsafe by public health and safety
committees.
Joyce has been closely linked with Douglass St. Clair Smith, a known
pagan. Smith has been deemed a leader of a group of pagans who hold
celebrations at a festival known as Starwood, which makes prominent
use of satanic symbols such as pentagrams. Leaders within the movement
stay in warm, comfortable accomodations, while the often-penniless
adherents sleep in tents, and use outdoor latrines.
"There's been a lot of chatter in the system between Joyce, and key
members of the paganism movement", remarked David Vanderzandt, a noted
researcher of the pagan community for the past twenty years, and an ex-
pagan who rejected the movement for Christianity. Vanderzandt says
that Joyce and pagan leader Smith have been close associates for a
long time.
"When I see these clowns doing adjoining radio shows, and attempting
to conceal the connection between members of Negativland, Pacifica
Radio, and the pagan community, I want to stop and ask these guys -
'who are you kidding'?", Vanderzandt said.
In addition to Joyce's connection with Smith, numerous other clues
abound throughout Negativland's work. "If you look at the cover, for
example, of the Negativland album 'Jam Con '84', you will see a
blatant representation of the so-called 'Green Man', a well-known
emmanation of Satan, and basically synonymous with the god Pan,"
Vanderzandt said.
In addition to more familiar pagan ritual re-creations like Burning
Man, pagans participate in other lesser-known rituals, said to include
in some cases actual human sacrifice.
Smith's Church of the Subgenius is no stranger to controversy: This
year, a top cleric, Kevin Underwood, was arrested for the brutal
murder and attempted cannibalization of a 10 year old girl.
Readers are urged to use caution whenever dealing with members of the
paganism movement. Known for their use of brain-damaging chemicals at
rituals, pagan behavior is said to be uncertain, and often
unpredictable.
Press writer Hakim Zakki contributed to this report from Oakland,
California.
David Deutsch wrote this? The Israeli physicist? Where was this
published? Who the hell is David Vanderzandt? If he's a "noted"
researcher of something why aren't there notes referring to him
anywhere? And press writer Hakim Zakki? Don't you mean Zakki Hakim?
Despite these flaws this article is an excellent example of good
journalism speaking truth to power.
-Rev CartER
He means Hakim Bey.
Pisces
2007-09-15 04:49:22 UTC
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By DAVID DEUTSCH
Press Writer
September 14, 2007 at 20:30:8 PDT
Controversial Rock Band Linked to Paganism, Rituals
PADANG, Indonesia (MA) - A member of the controversial rock group
Negativland has been linked with leaders inside of the 'paganism'
movement, a loosely-knit network that enacts subtly-veiled re-
creations of pagan human sacrifice rituals.
Press sources have revealed that Negativland member Don Joyce has been
closely linked with a group of pagans responsible for the enactment of
literally hundreds of pagan ritual re-creations, featuring, among
other things, a 'sex tent' deemed unsafe by public health and safety
committees.
Joyce has been closely linked with Douglass St. Clair Smith, a known
pagan. Smith has been deemed a leader of a group of pagans who hold
celebrations at a festival known as Starwood, which makes prominent
use of satanic symbols such as pentagrams. Leaders within the movement
stay in warm, comfortable accomodations, while the often-penniless
adherents sleep in tents, and use outdoor latrines.
"There's been a lot of chatter in the system between Joyce, and key
members of the paganism movement", remarked David Vanderzandt, a noted
researcher of the pagan community for the past twenty years, and an ex-
pagan who rejected the movement for Christianity. Vanderzandt says
that Joyce and pagan leader Smith have been close associates for a
long time.
"When I see these clowns doing adjoining radio shows, and attempting
to conceal the connection between members of Negativland, Pacifica
Radio, and the pagan community, I want to stop and ask these guys -
'who are you kidding'?", Vanderzandt said.
In addition to Joyce's connection with Smith, numerous other clues
abound throughout Negativland's work. "If you look at the cover, for
example, of the Negativland album 'Jam Con '84', you will see a
blatant representation of the so-called 'Green Man', a well-known
emmanation of Satan, and basically synonymous with the god Pan,"
Vanderzandt said.
In addition to more familiar pagan ritual re-creations like Burning
Man, pagans participate in other lesser-known rituals, said to include
in some cases actual human sacrifice.
Smith's Church of the Subgenius is no stranger to controversy: This
year, a top cleric, Kevin Underwood, was arrested for the brutal
murder and attempted cannibalization of a 10 year old girl.
Readers are urged to use caution whenever dealing with members of the
paganism movement. Known for their use of brain-damaging chemicals at
rituals, pagan behavior is said to be uncertain, and often
unpredictable.
Press writer Hakim Zakki contributed to this report from Oakland,
California.
Everytime you mention paganism, google puts up ads on all the google
groups users screens for places like this:
http://www.workingwitches.com/

Which means that everytime you post about pagans, you are helping give
the College of the Sacred Mists and other pagan sites money from the
adsense campaigns.

Keep it up Mikey- your making those evil bad pagans a TON of money.
R. Totale
2007-09-15 12:29:57 UTC
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Controversial Rock Band Linked to Paganism, Rituals
Controversy is good. "David Deutsch" is stupid.
SODDI
2007-09-15 16:08:05 UTC
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Controversial Rock Band Linked to Paganism, Rituals
Controversy is good. "David Deutsch" is stupid.
GOOD nym, man.

Halmyre
2007-09-15 12:49:33 UTC
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By DAVID DEUTSCH
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September 14, 2007 at 20:30:8 PDT
Controversial Rock Band Linked to Paganism, Rituals
Rock bands linked with paganism. Whatever next? Bears defectate in
woods? Pope attends mass?
--
Halmyre
scooter
2007-09-15 13:30:09 UTC
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, a loosely-knit network that enacts subtly-veiled re-
creations of pagan human sacrifice rituals.
We have a plague of these heathens in Texas, believe it or not. They
get together weekly and pretend to gnaw human flesh and drink blood.

We refer to them as Catholics, something to do with catholitic
converters or something.

I did some research on them in my younger years and discovered that
their men go into a deep meditation state when you stomp their heads
with motorcycle boots repeatedly. Also their women make groaning
sounds when you fuck them.

See the pamphlet on flesh-eating cults in Nenslo's Library written by
Robert Dean, young gurls come of age in flesh eating Canadian cults.

I used to date one of these cult members, but every month blood would
gush out of her pussy, which was extremely frightening, so I switched
to Methodist pussy.. It's cold and dry, and smells like sand.

Not as intimidating.

-scooter
http://acksisofevil.org
Baldin Lee Pramer
2007-09-15 14:51:19 UTC
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By DAVID DEUTSCH
Press Writer
September 14, 2007 at 20:30:8 PDT
Controversial Rock Band Linked to Paganism, Rituals
PADANG, Indonesia (MA) - A member of the controversial rock group
Negativland has been linked with leaders inside of the 'paganism'
movement, a loosely-knit network that enacts subtly-veiled re-
creations of pagan human sacrifice rituals.
Press sources have revealed that Negativland member Don Joyce has been
closely linked with a group of pagans responsible for the enactment of
literally hundreds of pagan ritual re-creations, featuring, among
other things, a 'sex tent' deemed unsafe by public health and safety
committees.
Joyce has been closely linked with Douglass St. Clair Smith, a known
pagan. Smith has been deemed a leader of a group of pagans who hold
celebrations at a festival known as Starwood, which makes prominent
use of satanic symbols such as pentagrams. Leaders within the movement
stay in warm, comfortable accomodations, while the often-penniless
adherents sleep in tents, and use outdoor latrines.
"There's been a lot of chatter in the system between Joyce, and key
members of the paganism movement", remarked David Vanderzandt, a noted
researcher of the pagan community for the past twenty years, and an ex-
pagan who rejected the movement for Christianity. Vanderzandt says
that Joyce and pagan leader Smith have been close associates for a
long time.
"When I see these clowns doing adjoining radio shows, and attempting
to conceal the connection between members of Negativland, Pacifica
Radio, and the pagan community, I want to stop and ask these guys -
'who are you kidding'?", Vanderzandt said.
In addition to Joyce's connection with Smith, numerous other clues
abound throughout Negativland's work. "If you look at the cover, for
example, of the Negativland album 'Jam Con '84', you will see a
blatant representation of the so-called 'Green Man', a well-known
emmanation of Satan, and basically synonymous with the god Pan,"
Vanderzandt said.
In addition to more familiar pagan ritual re-creations like Burning
Man, pagans participate in other lesser-known rituals, said to include
in some cases actual human sacrifice.
Smith's Church of the Subgenius is no stranger to controversy: This
year, a top cleric, Kevin Underwood, was arrested for the brutal
murder and attempted cannibalization of a 10 year old girl.
Readers are urged to use caution whenever dealing with members of the
paganism movement. Known for their use of brain-damaging chemicals at
rituals, pagan behavior is said to be uncertain, and often
unpredictable.
Press writer Hakim Zakki contributed to this report from Oakland,
California.
Not bad. If you put your mind to it, you can come up with something
amusing. Keep it up, Dave.

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