Was COIL influence by KraftwerK?

Post by The Space Boss
I'm listening to "Music to play in the dark" (Red birds will fly) and
it sound very similer to Kraftwerk. Is there any connection by
influence?

<irony>
This is absolutely impossible because Kraftwerk is just a totally
obscure band that noone knows of.
</irony>

They surely could have listened to Kraftwerk at that time (cf. Afrika
Bambaataa - Planet Rock and chart positions of Kraftwerk), but I don't
know of any claim about that by the band themselves.

cu Thomas

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Girl <last name>

2007-05-27 18:27:16 UTC

Post by The Space Boss
I'm listening to "Music to play in the dark" (Red birds will fly) and
it sound very similer to Kraftwerk. Is there any connection by
influence?

<irony>
This is absolutely impossible because Kraftwerk is just a totally
obscure band that noone knows of.
</irony>
They surely could have listened to Kraftwerk at that time (cf. Afrika
Bambaataa - Planet Rock and chart positions of Kraftwerk), but I don't
know of any claim about that by the band themselves.

Actually, Chris Carter was hugely influenced by Kraftwerk back in the days
of Throbbing Gristle. Chris was clearly a huge influence on Peter
Christopherson's work back then (compare Chris & Cosey's earliest work and
later Coil stuff).

D.

Darius

2007-06-02 01:14:42 UTC

Post by The Space Boss
I'm listening to "Music to play in the dark" (Red birds will fly) and
it sound very similer to Kraftwerk. Is there any connection by
influence?

<irony>
This is absolutely impossible because Kraftwerk is just a totally
obscure band that noone knows of.
</irony>
They surely could have listened to Kraftwerk at that time (cf. Afrika
Bambaataa - Planet Rock and chart positions of Kraftwerk), but I don't
know of any claim about that by the band themselves.

Actually, track "Red Birds.." was inspired by Tangerine Dream album
"Rubycon", as confirmed by Thighpaulsandra who made it. I have listened
to Rubycon and can confirm it's absolutely true, it even sounds almost
exactly the same. I think though Coil version is better.

mimus

2007-06-02 02:50:48 UTC

Post by Darius

Post by The Space Boss
I'm listening to "Music to play in the dark" (Red birds will fly) and
it sound very similer to Kraftwerk. Is there any connection by
influence?

<irony>
This is absolutely impossible because Kraftwerk is just a totally
obscure band that noone knows of.
</irony>
They surely could have listened to Kraftwerk at that time (cf. Afrika
Bambaataa - Planet Rock and chart positions of Kraftwerk), but I don't
know of any claim about that by the band themselves.

Actually, Chris Carter was hugely influenced by Kraftwerk back in the
days of Throbbing Gristle. Chris was clearly a huge influence on Peter
Christopherson's work back then (compare Chris & Cosey's earliest work
and later Coil stuff).

Bite your fingers off: _Rubycon_ is a _classic_.

And a really really good TD sequence is _Rubycon_ Part I; _Zeit_ Part 4
"Zeit" ("Time"); and _Rubycon_ Part II (altogether 51:49), since you can
interpret _Rubycon_ as referring to the classical story of Caesar's coming
down to the Rubicon and spending the night there in contemplation of what
to do, since he either had to lay down his generalship and probably lose
his life in judicial murder, or cross the Rubicon with his legions and
begin yet another Roman Civil War, _Rubycon_ Part I plainly being a
"River" piece and Part II being "Decision" or "Crossing", and _Zeit_
Part 4 "Zeit" being a wonderful representation of a long long night of
hard hard thinking.

--
Let there be throbbing.

(And electronic birds.)

Girl <last name>

2007-06-03 20:09:46 UTC

Post by Darius

Post by The Space Boss
I'm listening to "Music to play in the dark" (Red birds will fly) and
it sound very similer to Kraftwerk. Is there any connection by
influence?

<irony>
This is absolutely impossible because Kraftwerk is just a totally
obscure band that noone knows of.
</irony>
They surely could have listened to Kraftwerk at that time (cf. Afrika
Bambaataa - Planet Rock and chart positions of Kraftwerk), but I don't
know of any claim about that by the band themselves.

Actually, Chris Carter was hugely influenced by Kraftwerk back in the
days of Throbbing Gristle. Chris was clearly a huge influence on Peter
Christopherson's work back then (compare Chris & Cosey's earliest work
and later Coil stuff).
D.

Actually, track "Red Birds.." was inspired by Tangerine Dream album
"Rubycon", as confirmed by Thighpaulsandra who made it. I have listened to
Rubycon and can confirm it's absolutely true, it even sounds almost
exactly the same. I think though Coil version is better.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but how does that contradict what I wrote? I
never said Kraftwerk or Chris Carter/Chris & Cosey were the only influence
on Coil, of course there are many more (The Virgin Prunes, for example, were
clearly an influence on their early stuff - Gavin Friday's appearance on
Scatology is a clear signal of that).

Girl.

Girl <last name>

2007-06-03 20:15:00 UTC

Post by Darius
Actually, track "Red Birds.." was inspired by Tangerine Dream album
"Rubycon", as confirmed by Thighpaulsandra who made it. I have listened
to Rubycon and can confirm it's absolutely true, it even sounds almost
exactly the same. I think though Coil version is better.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but how does that contradict what I wrote? I
never said Kraftwerk or Chris Carter/Chris & Cosey were the only influence
on Coil, of course there are many more (The Virgin Prunes, for example,
were clearly an influence on their early stuff - Gavin Friday's appearance
on Scatology is a clear signal of that).

Add Foetus to that as well, as he co-produced Scatology.

Girl.

Darius

2007-06-05 19:16:14 UTC