ELP->Electro-EBM

[mimus]

It's strange, very strange, how accounts of industrial and so on don't seem
to take into account Emerson, Lake and Palmer, the heavily electronic
progressive rock band of the early '70s, not to mention the Banks-
keyboard- dominated Gabriel-era Genesis, and <shudder> Peter Hammill and
his wonderful Van der Graaf Generator (hear _Pawn Hearts_ and _Godbluff_),
as well as some of the New Wave guys from the '80s like Thomas Dolby, the
Eurhythmics, the Thompson Twins and even The Cars, and even, and even Kate
Bush, who did some very nice electronic rock indeed along her way.

Such artists and groups may have been unknown or of no account to, say,
Front 242 or Skinny Puppy, but at the very least they certainly weren't to
the latter groups' likely fan-bases, from party-pad to dance-floor.

[Tony Elka]

Post by mimus
It's strange, very strange, how accounts of industrial and so on don't seem
to take into account Emerson, Lake and Palmer, the heavily electronic
progressive rock band of the early '70s, not to mention the Banks-
keyboard- dominated Gabriel-era Genesis, and <shudder> Peter Hammill and
his wonderful Van der Graaf Generator (hear _Pawn Hearts_ and _Godbluff_),
as well as some of the New Wave guys from the '80s like Thomas Dolby, the
Eurhythmics, the Thompson Twins and even The Cars, and even, and even Kate
Bush, who did some very nice electronic rock indeed along her way.
Such artists and groups may have been unknown or of no account to, say,
Front 242 or Skinny Puppy, but at the very least they certainly weren't to
the latter groups' likely fan-bases, from party-pad to dance-floor.

The bands you mentioned are far too dynamic to be of interest to fans of
industrial. They were more influenced by Kraftwerk.

Tony

[Chunder from Down Under]

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Post by mimus
It's strange, very strange, how accounts of industrial and so on don't seem
to take into account Emerson, Lake and Palmer, the heavily electronic
progressive rock band of the early '70s, not to mention the Banks-
keyboard- dominated Gabriel-era Genesis, and <shudder> Peter Hammill and
his wonderful Van der Graaf Generator (hear _Pawn Hearts_ and _Godbluff_),
as well as some of the New Wave guys from the '80s like Thomas Dolby, the
Eurhythmics, the Thompson Twins and even The Cars, and even, and even Kate
Bush, who did some very nice electronic rock indeed along her way.
Such artists and groups may have been unknown or of no account to, say,
Front 242 or Skinny Puppy, but at the very least they certainly weren't to
the latter groups' likely fan-bases, from party-pad to dance-floor.

Hey It's not my fault that you don't know Ocasek produced Suicide. It's not my
fault that Thomas Dolby is a pale and inconsequential rerun of Gary Numan,
which the industrialites already had their post-ironic love affair with
around 1998-99. All kinds of people put 'electronics' in their music, who
cares, that doesn't automatically make them important. Joy Division didn't
want any keyboards, Hannett forced them to use them. And Van er Graaf
Generator don't even need any 'cool' points by being associated with
'industrial'. I don't agree with any of your assessments, about the only thing
I can think of along those lines is that Pete Shelley's Homosapien album maybe
should be considered along with quintessential output from Gary Numan, Soft
Cell and OMD as a pioneering moment in the post-Suicide
two-guys-with-a-drum-machine aesthetic. But really, who cares. It hasn't been
important to get cool-points from the industrial scene for over a decade. In
fact anyone playing anything remotely 'industrial' would do well to bill
themselves as post-punk rather than continue to malign themselves with the
anachronistic marketing term 'industrial', a word which hasn't helped anyone
sell records in well over a decade..

[mimus]

Post by Chunder from Down Under
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Post by mimus
It's strange, very strange, how accounts of industrial and so on don't seem
to take into account Emerson, Lake and Palmer, the heavily electronic
progressive rock band of the early '70s, not to mention the Banks-
keyboard- dominated Gabriel-era Genesis, and <shudder> Peter Hammill and
his wonderful Van der Graaf Generator (hear _Pawn Hearts_ and _Godbluff_),
as well as some of the New Wave guys from the '80s like Thomas Dolby, the
Eurhythmics, the Thompson Twins and even The Cars, and even, and even Kate
Bush, who did some very nice electronic rock indeed along her way.
Such artists and groups may have been unknown or of no account to, say,
Front 242 or Skinny Puppy, but at the very least they certainly weren't to
the latter groups' likely fan-bases, from party-pad to dance-floor.

Hey It's not my fault that you don't know Ocasek produced Suicide. It's not my
fault that Thomas Dolby is a pale and inconsequential rerun of Gary Numan,
which the industrialites already had their post-ironic love affair with
around 1998-99. All kinds of people put 'electronics' in their music, who
cares, that doesn't automatically make them important. Joy Division didn't
want any keyboards, Hannett forced them to use them. And Van er Graaf
Generator don't even need any 'cool' points by being associated with
'industrial'. I don't agree with any of your assessments, about the only thing
I can think of along those lines is that Pete Shelley's Homosapien album maybe
should be considered along with quintessential output from Gary Numan, Soft
Cell and OMD as a pioneering moment in the post-Suicide
two-guys-with-a-drum-machine aesthetic. But really, who cares. It hasn't been
important to get cool-points from the industrial scene for over a decade. In
fact anyone playing anything remotely 'industrial' would do well to bill
themselves as post-punk rather than continue to malign themselves with the
anachronistic marketing term 'industrial', a word which hasn't helped anyone
sell records in well over a decade..

"Cool points"? "assessments"? "marketing"? WTF?

The viewpoint from which you apparently read my post is so different from
that in which I wrote it that there seems little hope of actual
communication.

Thank you.