OK, Guys: Female Industrial

[mimus]

Which of these groups hide a guitar behind their industrial masks or are
so thin as to be "electro-pop"?

http://www.amazon.com/Women-in-industrial-music/lm/R25IJPO9J9TEIK

I get the impression that Battery is/was a guitar band, looking around--
at least, they commonly get an "alternative metal" or some such tag-- but
OTOtherH they seem to have spawned a fair number of side and successor
projects, some of which might be non-guitar polished electro-EBM with a
female vocalist, which is what we wants here.

Die Form sounds attractive, an "erotic" female-fronted industrial band
from France, that I've seen many references to, or at least catalog
entries for, over the two decades I've been collecting electro-EBM.

Input, please!

[buzzgun]

Post by mimus
Which of these groups hide a guitar behind their industrial masks or are
so thin as to be "electro-pop"?
http://www.amazon.com/Women-in-industrial-music/lm/R25IJPO9J9TEIK

Flesh Field: guitar
Portishead: electro-pop

Alone in the Dark,
buzz

[Locke]

On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 19:01:17 -0400, mimus <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
|
|Which of these groups hide a guitar behind their industrial masks or are
|so thin as to be "electro-pop"?

A guitar doesn't need to be hidden, especially not behind an industrial
mask.

|http://www.amazon.com/Women-in-industrial-music/lm/R25IJPO9J9TEIK

Well, of all these bands I know only three well enough to comment,
Portishead who are hardly even industrial related (but probably make the
best music on this list), Sow who are (or should I say is?) okay, even
though the listed album is not their (her) best, and Die Form who I saw
live a few years back who are so thin that they can't even be considered
to be "electro-pop". When I saw them it was a porn show with background
music from a DAT recorder and the most controversial part of their show
was when the DAT recorder broke down in the middle of the show.

Well, the Unter Null chick used to post to RMI. I have heard a track (or
maybe even a few) but it didn't leave a lasting impression, so it would
be unfair to comment on her music.

|Die Form sounds attractive, an "erotic" female-fronted industrial band
|from France, that I've seen many references to, or at least catalog
|entries for, over the two decades I've been collecting electro-EBM.
|
|Input, please!

Die Form can be interesting to teenage boys who have not yet had sex.
Other than that I don't see the appeal (the background music on the DAT
tape was quite boring).

CU,
Locke

NP:
Detwiije "Would You Rather Be Followed by Fourty Ducks for the Rest of Your Life?"

[mimus]

Post by Locke
|Which of these groups hide a guitar behind their industrial masks or are
|so thin as to be "electro-pop"?
A guitar doesn't need to be hidden, especially not behind an industrial
mask.

I decided back in the '70s that there are far far too many goddam guitars
in the world and not nearly enough woodwinds or keyboards.

The keyboards have caught up a bit since then.

Post by Locke
|http://www.amazon.com/Women-in-industrial-music/lm/R25IJPO9J9TEIK
Well, of all these bands I know only three well enough to comment,
Portishead who are hardly even industrial related (but probably make the
best music on this list), Sow who are (or should I say is?) okay, even
though the listed album is not their (her) best,

Electro-EBM OK or something else OK?

Post by Locke
and Die Form who I saw
live a few years back who are so thin that they can't even be considered
to be "electro-pop". When I saw them it was a porn show with background
music from a DAT recorder and the most controversial part of their show
was when the DAT recorder broke down in the middle of the show.
Well, the Unter Null chick used to post to RMI. I have heard a track (or
maybe even a few) but it didn't leave a lasting impression, so it would
be unfair to comment on her music.

Let's sic' 'er on Tom Shear . . . .

Post by Locke
|Die Form sounds attractive, an "erotic" female-fronted industrial band
|from France, that I've seen many references to, or at least catalog
|entries for, over the two decades I've been collecting electro-EBM.
|
|Input, please!
Die Form can be interesting to teenage boys who have not yet had sex.

<ponder>

They've (pardon the expression) "put out" quite a few albums . . . .

How would they be for old guys who don't get nearly enough sex?

Post by Locke
Other than that I don't see the appeal (the background music on the DAT
tape was quite boring).

This is bad. I've got _Extremum_, _Inhuman_ and _Exhuman_ on order . . . .

Oh, well, I've still got fleshing out my Wumpscut or :wumpscut: or ::w::
collection to go:::

Rudy's music is great; his vocals are excellent; but, based on his lyrics,
there's something seriously wrong with Rudy-- although there is a
perverse-decadent German/Austrian musical tradition reaching right back
through Alban Berg's _Wozzeck_ and _Lulu_ (I highly recommend the _Lulu
Suite_) . . . .

[Locke]

On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 20:40:52 -0400, mimus <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
|On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 00:45:58 +0200, Locke wrote:
|
|> Sow who are (or should I say is?) okay, even
|> though the listed album is not their (her) best,
|
|Electro-EBM OK or something else OK?

Ummmm ... something else okay ... I would call it industrial rock okay.
Musicians on this album include Raymond Watts of Pig (and KMFDM) and
other KMFDM members. But the music is better than most KMFDM.

|> Die Form can be interesting to teenage boys who have not yet had sex.
|
|<ponder>
|
|They've (pardon the expression) "put out" quite a few albums . . . .

True ... I once made the mistake of buying one of them. Fortunately I
bought it very cheap, so I didn't waste too much money.

|How would they be for old guys who don't get nearly enough sex?

Well, I'd expect older guys to know the difference between porn and
music.

|> Other than that I don't see the appeal (the background music on the DAT
|> tape was quite boring).
|
|This is bad. I've got _Extremum_, _Inhuman_ and _Exhuman_ on order . . . .
|
|Oh, well, I've still got fleshing out my Wumpscut or :wumpscut: or ::w::
|collection to go:::

What does Wumpscut do in a thread about "female industrial"?
If you need a recommendation for female industrial I can suggest
Mona Mur. Not strictly EBM but she's done quite a bit electronic
stuff at least.

www.monamur.net www.myspace.com/monamur

CU,
Locke

NP: Blixa Bargeld "Rede / Speech"

[mimus]

Post by Locke
|
|> Sow who are (or should I say is?) okay, even
|> though the listed album is not their (her) best,
|
|Electro-EBM OK or something else OK?
Ummmm ... something else okay ... I would call it industrial rock okay.
Musicians on this album include Raymond Watts of Pig (and KMFDM) and
other KMFDM members. But the music is better than most KMFDM.

There's another oldie I've never knowingly heard.

Do they throb? do they use guitars?

Post by Locke
|> Die Form can be interesting to teenage boys who have not yet had sex.
|
|<ponder>
|
|They've (pardon the expression) "put out" quite a few albums . . . .
True ... I once made the mistake of buying one of them. Fortunately I
bought it very cheap, so I didn't waste too much money.
|How would they be for old guys who don't get nearly enough sex?
Well, I'd expect older guys to know the difference between porn and
music.

This reminds me of Merzbow again . . . strangely, to be sure . . . .

Post by Locke
|> Other than that I don't see the appeal (the background music on the DAT
|> tape was quite boring).
|
|This is bad. I've got _Extremum_, _Inhuman_ and _Exhuman_ on order . . . .
|
What does Wumpscut do in a thread about "female industrial"?

Erm . . . a woman usually comes to a bad end somewhere on each CD so far .
. . I dunno . . . .

Post by Locke
If you need a recommendation for female industrial I can suggest
Mona Mur. Not strictly EBM but she's done quite a bit electronic
stuff at least.
www.monamur.net www.myspace.com/monamur

Another entry in the thread. VWD.

At this rate, this'll resemble a simple newsgroup in extremis, which would
be an improvement . . . .

[mimus]

Post by mimus

Post by Locke
|Which of these groups hide a guitar behind their industrial masks or are
|so thin as to be "electro-pop"?
A guitar doesn't need to be hidden, especially not behind an industrial
mask.

I decided back in the '70s that there are far far too many goddam guitars
in the world and not nearly enough woodwinds or keyboards.
The keyboards have caught up a bit since then.

Post by Locke
|http://www.amazon.com/Women-in-industrial-music/lm/R25IJPO9J9TEIK
Well, of all these bands I know only three well enough to comment,
Portishead who are hardly even industrial related (but probably make the
best music on this list), Sow who are (or should I say is?) okay, even
though the listed album is not their (her) best,

Electro-EBM OK or something else OK?

Post by Locke
and Die Form who I saw
live a few years back who are so thin that they can't even be considered
to be "electro-pop". When I saw them it was a porn show with background
music from a DAT recorder and the most controversial part of their show
was when the DAT recorder broke down in the middle of the show.
Well, the Unter Null chick used to post to RMI. I have heard a track (or
maybe even a few) but it didn't leave a lasting impression, so it would
be unfair to comment on her music.

Let's sic' 'er on Tom Shear . . . .

Post by Locke
|Die Form sounds attractive, an "erotic" female-fronted industrial band
|from France, that I've seen many references to, or at least catalog
|entries for, over the two decades I've been collecting electro-EBM.
|
|Input, please!
Die Form can be interesting to teenage boys who have not yet had sex.

<ponder>
They've (pardon the expression) "put out" quite a few albums . . . .
How would they be for old guys who don't get nearly enough sex?

The answer to that so far is something between "Woof" and a flinch-- see
below.

Post by mimus

Post by Locke
Other than that I don't see the appeal (the background music on the DAT
tape was quite boring).

This is bad. I've got _Extremum_, _Inhuman_ and _Exhuman_ on order . . . .

Hm, well, just got _Extremum_ and _Exhuman_ in today, and after listening
to the first on and off for half the day, the block

Die Form/ Extremum (<trinity>/Metropolis) (2000)/ "Transgressions 1",
"Operating Theater", "Glassphyxie", "Transvocal Mutations",
"Suffocations", "O. T. E. D." and "Itopsia Atropos" (30:37)

has had _no_ trouble at all making it onto my favorite blocks list . . . .

I'd just call it electro ("with-a-'c'!") or electro-industrial; it's
mostly somewhat slow and spacey, well-worked, verging on beautiful
throughout, with more than a hint of, er, "death-folk" in the female vocal
arrangements, although with adequate dance-beats and plenty of harsh-ish
musical voices all the way, and with only "O. T. E. D" really running a
fast-ish EBM beat and rhythm-unit in the above block.

And as for "erotic", well, yeah, maybe, but this one is _perverse_ erotic.
Sort of Cirque du Soleil meets _Videodrome_ . . . . Or (with a nod to
Merzbow again) "Music for Asphyxia Performance".

And while I haven't had a chance to give a listen to _Exhuman_ (2006!)
yet, the song-titles on it don't seem particularly eroticentric.

[mimus]

Post by mimus

Post by mimus

Post by Locke
|Which of these groups hide a guitar behind their industrial masks or are
|so thin as to be "electro-pop"?
A guitar doesn't need to be hidden, especially not behind an industrial
mask.

I decided back in the '70s that there are far far too many goddam guitars
in the world and not nearly enough woodwinds or keyboards.
The keyboards have caught up a bit since then.

Post by Locke
|http://www.amazon.com/Women-in-industrial-music/lm/R25IJPO9J9TEIK
Well, of all these bands I know only three well enough to comment,
Portishead who are hardly even industrial related (but probably make the
best music on this list), Sow who are (or should I say is?) okay, even
though the listed album is not their (her) best,

Electro-EBM OK or something else OK?

Post by Locke
and Die Form who I saw
live a few years back who are so thin that they can't even be considered
to be "electro-pop". When I saw them it was a porn show with background
music from a DAT recorder and the most controversial part of their show
was when the DAT recorder broke down in the middle of the show.
Well, the Unter Null chick used to post to RMI. I have heard a track (or
maybe even a few) but it didn't leave a lasting impression, so it would
be unfair to comment on her music.

Let's sic' 'er on Tom Shear . . . .

Post by Locke
|Die Form sounds attractive, an "erotic" female-fronted industrial band
|from France, that I've seen many references to, or at least catalog
|entries for, over the two decades I've been collecting electro-EBM.
|
|Input, please!
Die Form can be interesting to teenage boys who have not yet had sex.

<ponder>
They've (pardon the expression) "put out" quite a few albums . . . .
How would they be for old guys who don't get nearly enough sex?

The answer to that so far is something between "Woof" and a flinch-- see
below.

Post by mimus

Post by Locke
Other than that I don't see the appeal (the background music on the DAT
tape was quite boring).

This is bad. I've got _Extremum_, _Inhuman_ and _Exhuman_ on order . . . .

Hm, well, just got _Extremum_ and _Exhuman_ in today, and after listening
to the first on and off for half the day, the block
Die Form/ Extremum (<trinity>/Metropolis) (2000)/ "Transgressions 1",
"Operating Theater", "Glassphyxie", "Transvocal Mutations",
"Suffocations", "O. T. E. D." and "Itopsia Atropos" (30:37)
has had _no_ trouble at all making it onto my favorite blocks list . . . .
I'd just call it electro ("with-a-'c'!") or electro-industrial; it's
mostly somewhat slow and spacey, well-worked, verging on beautiful
throughout, with more than a hint of, er, "death-folk" in the female vocal
arrangements, although with adequate dance-beats and plenty of harsh-ish
musical voices all the way, and with only "O. T. E. D" really running a
fast-ish EBM beat and rhythm-unit in the above block.
And as for "erotic", well, yeah, maybe, but this one is _perverse_ erotic.
Sort of Cirque du Soleil meets _Videodrome_ . . . . Or (with a nod to
Merzbow again) "Music for Asphyxia Performance".
And while I haven't had a chance to give a listen to _Exhuman_ (2006!)
yet, the song-titles on it don't seem particularly eroticentric.

Oh, people . . . eh, peuple . . . :

Die Form/ ExHuman (trisol/Metropollis) (2006)/ "Agnostic Vision",
"Morphosis", "Hypnogramme", "Fatal Insomnia", "Dismember" and "Vox
ExHumana" (26:52)

is great electro-industrial/electro-EBM, and well bears cranking up.

(And while I wouldn't go so far as to say Philippe goes all twelve-tone on
us all or anything, certain rather distant harmonies and scurrying
passages here 'n' there are rather whiffy to me of the Second Viennese
School.)

[mimus]

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Post by Locke
|Which of these groups hide a guitar behind their industrial masks or are
|so thin as to be "electro-pop"?
A guitar doesn't need to be hidden, especially not behind an industrial
mask.

I decided back in the '70s that there are far far too many goddam guitars
in the world and not nearly enough woodwinds or keyboards.
The keyboards have caught up a bit since then.

Post by Locke
|http://www.amazon.com/Women-in-industrial-music/lm/R25IJPO9J9TEIK
Well, of all these bands I know only three well enough to comment,
Portishead who are hardly even industrial related (but probably make the
best music on this list), Sow who are (or should I say is?) okay, even
though the listed album is not their (her) best,

Electro-EBM OK or something else OK?

Post by Locke
and Die Form who I saw
live a few years back who are so thin that they can't even be considered
to be "electro-pop". When I saw them it was a porn show with background
music from a DAT recorder and the most controversial part of their show
was when the DAT recorder broke down in the middle of the show.
Well, the Unter Null chick used to post to RMI. I have heard a track (or
maybe even a few) but it didn't leave a lasting impression, so it would
be unfair to comment on her music.

Let's sic' 'er on Tom Shear . . . .

Post by Locke
|Die Form sounds attractive, an "erotic" female-fronted industrial band
|from France, that I've seen many references to, or at least catalog
|entries for, over the two decades I've been collecting electro-EBM.
|
|Input, please!
Die Form can be interesting to teenage boys who have not yet had sex.

<ponder>
They've (pardon the expression) "put out" quite a few albums . . . .
How would they be for old guys who don't get nearly enough sex?

The answer to that so far is something between "Woof" and a flinch-- see
below.

Post by mimus

Post by Locke
Other than that I don't see the appeal (the background music on the DAT
tape was quite boring).

This is bad. I've got _Extremum_, _Inhuman_ and _Exhuman_ on order . . . .

Hm, well, just got _Extremum_ and _Exhuman_ in today, and after listening
to the first on and off for half the day, the block
Die Form/ Extremum (<trinity>/Metropolis) (2000)/ "Transgressions 1",
"Operating Theater", "Glassphyxie", "Transvocal Mutations",
"Suffocations", "O. T. E. D." and "Itopsia Atropos" (30:37)
has had _no_ trouble at all making it onto my favorite blocks list . . . .
I'd just call it electro ("with-a-'c'!") or electro-industrial; it's
mostly somewhat slow and spacey, well-worked, verging on beautiful
throughout, with more than a hint of, er, "death-folk" in the female vocal
arrangements, although with adequate dance-beats and plenty of harsh-ish
musical voices all the way, and with only "O. T. E. D" really running a
fast-ish EBM beat and rhythm-unit in the above block.
And as for "erotic", well, yeah, maybe, but this one is _perverse_ erotic.
Sort of Cirque du Soleil meets _Videodrome_ . . . . Or (with a nod to
Merzbow again) "Music for Asphyxia Performance".
And while I haven't had a chance to give a listen to _Exhuman_ (2006!)
yet, the song-titles on it don't seem particularly eroticentric.

Die Form/ ExHuman (trisol/Metropollis) (2006)/ "Agnostic Vision",
"Morphosis", "Hypnogramme", "Fatal Insomnia", "Dismember" and "Vox
ExHumana" (26:52)
is great electro-industrial/electro-EBM, and well bears cranking up.
(And while I wouldn't go so far as to say Philippe goes all twelve-tone on
us all or anything, certain rather distant harmonies and scurrying
passages here 'n' there are rather whiffy to me of the Second Viennese
School.)

Review of _Inhuman_ will have to wait until I return the . . . folk-pop .
. . CD I got sent instead . . . .

<goes to wash hands again>

[mimus]

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Post by Locke
|Which of these groups hide a guitar behind their industrial masks or are
|so thin as to be "electro-pop"?
A guitar doesn't need to be hidden, especially not behind an industrial
mask.

I decided back in the '70s that there are far far too many goddam guitars
in the world and not nearly enough woodwinds or keyboards.
The keyboards have caught up a bit since then.

Post by Locke
|http://www.amazon.com/Women-in-industrial-music/lm/R25IJPO9J9TEIK
Well, of all these bands I know only three well enough to comment,
Portishead who are hardly even industrial related (but probably make the
best music on this list), Sow who are (or should I say is?) okay, even
though the listed album is not their (her) best,

Electro-EBM OK or something else OK?

Post by Locke
and Die Form who I saw
live a few years back who are so thin that they can't even be considered
to be "electro-pop". When I saw them it was a porn show with background
music from a DAT recorder and the most controversial part of their show
was when the DAT recorder broke down in the middle of the show.
Well, the Unter Null chick used to post to RMI. I have heard a track (or
maybe even a few) but it didn't leave a lasting impression, so it would
be unfair to comment on her music.

Let's sic' 'er on Tom Shear . . . .

Post by Locke
|Die Form sounds attractive, an "erotic" female-fronted industrial band
|from France, that I've seen many references to, or at least catalog
|entries for, over the two decades I've been collecting electro-EBM.
|
|Input, please!
Die Form can be interesting to teenage boys who have not yet had sex.

<ponder>
They've (pardon the expression) "put out" quite a few albums . . . .
How would they be for old guys who don't get nearly enough sex?

The answer to that so far is something between "Woof" and a flinch-- see
below.

Post by mimus

Post by Locke
Other than that I don't see the appeal (the background music on the DAT
tape was quite boring).

This is bad. I've got _Extremum_, _Inhuman_ and _Exhuman_ on order . . . .

Hm, well, just got _Extremum_ and _Exhuman_ in today, and after listening
to the first on and off for half the day, the block
Die Form/ Extremum (<trinity>/Metropolis) (2000)/ "Transgressions 1",
"Operating Theater", "Glassphyxie", "Transvocal Mutations",
"Suffocations", "O. T. E. D." and "Itopsia Atropos" (30:37)
has had _no_ trouble at all making it onto my favorite blocks list . . . .
I'd just call it electro ("with-a-'c'!") or electro-industrial; it's
mostly somewhat slow and spacey, well-worked, verging on beautiful
throughout, with more than a hint of, er, "death-folk" in the female vocal
arrangements, although with adequate dance-beats and plenty of harsh-ish
musical voices all the way, and with only "O. T. E. D" really running a
fast-ish EBM beat and rhythm-unit in the above block.
And as for "erotic", well, yeah, maybe, but this one is _perverse_ erotic.
Sort of Cirque du Soleil meets _Videodrome_ . . . . Or (with a nod to
Merzbow again) "Music for Asphyxia Performance".
And while I haven't had a chance to give a listen to _Exhuman_ (2006!)
yet, the song-titles on it don't seem particularly eroticentric.

Die Form/ ExHuman (trisol/Metropollis) (2006)/ "Agnostic Vision",
"Morphosis", "Hypnogramme", "Fatal Insomnia", "Dismember" and "Vox
ExHumana" (26:52)
is great electro-industrial/electro-EBM, and well bears cranking up.
(And while I wouldn't go so far as to say Philippe goes all twelve-tone on
us all or anything, certain rather distant harmonies and scurrying
passages here 'n' there are rather whiffy to me of the Second Viennese
School.)

Review of _Inhuman_ will have to wait until I return the . . . folk-pop .
. . CD I got sent instead . . . .
<goes to wash hands again>

You can chalk up

Die Form/ Duality ([trinity]/Metropolis) (1997)/ "Leda's secret", "Anode
current", "Transvisions", "Love is cold II", "The missing beauty" and "The
hidden cage" (29:44)

as just great, too. Polished, carefully-constructed and thoughtful stuff.
And alternating soft(ish) and hard(ish) nicely in the above block.

(Still haven't received _InHuman_.)

[Girl <last name>]

Post by mimus
Die Form sounds attractive, an "erotic" female-fronted industrial band
from France, that I've seen many references to, or at least catalog
entries for, over the two decades I've been collecting electro-EBM.

Die Form are in a similar vein to Attrition and In the Nursery, dark
brooding electronics with a classical influence. They're not industrial,
they're all more commonly referred to as darkwave (somewhere in the space
between Gothic and industrial).

Portishead aren't what I'd call electro-pop (that's the likes of Ladytron or
Chicks on Speed). Their highly creative mix of downbeat movie soundtracks,
snails pace hip hop beats and Beth Gibbons mournful vocals has a lot in
common with darkwave. Unfortunately, it became popular in the early 90s and
there were a lot of more watered-down mainstream copy-cats. That said, their
new album is far closer to industrial, pulling in noisy IDM elements.

Girl.

[Girl <last name>]

Post by Girl <last name>
Portishead aren't what I'd call electro-pop (that's the likes of Ladytron
or Chicks on Speed). Their highly creative mix of downbeat movie
soundtracks, snails pace hip hop beats and Beth Gibbons mournful vocals
has a lot in common with darkwave. Unfortunately, it became popular in the
early 90s and there were a lot of more watered-down mainstream copy-cats.
That said, their new album is far closer to industrial, pulling in noisy
IDM elements.

The new Portishead album, which I've now had a proper chance to listen to
it, is fantastic! And tracks like Machine Gun -

- are virtually industrial.

Girl.