time for the yearly question...

[broken toy for a lonely girl]

what's going on with the boys from die warzau? any news? I know Jim was
working with a few things, but I lost track. Also, same thing with
Nitzer Ebb, any ideas?

--
candle
mhm27x19 ICQ#34579920 AIM:zantetsuken76
http://www.brokentoyforalonelygirl.tk

[Sound Mirror]

broken toy for a lonely girl <***@catholic.org> wrote in message
news:***@216.168.3.44...
> what's going on with the boys from die warzau? any news? I know Jim was
> working with a few things, but I lost track. Also, same thing with
> Nitzer Ebb, any ideas?
>
>

Yeah, back in 99, www.diewarzau.com had an image up with some new DW logo,
and it said "12/99" or something like that.. a year or so later, it got
taken down. I think DW is done for. That really sucks :-/

As far as NE goes, i think NE is done for, too.. but who knows..

[broken toy for a lonely girl]

Sound Mirror is a broken toy, for a lonely girl...:

>
> broken toy for a lonely girl <***@catholic.org> wrote in
message
> news:***@216.168.3.44...
>> what's going on with the boys from die warzau? any news? I know
Jim was
>> working with a few things, but I lost track. Also, same thing with
>> Nitzer Ebb, any ideas?
>>
>>
>
> Yeah, back in 99, www.diewarzau.com had an image up with some new
DW logo,
> and it said "12/99" or something like that.. a year or so later, it
got
> taken down. I think DW is done for. That really sucks :-/

Indeed it does. DW were my fave, period, with only SP, Coil, and a
couple others even close. They were unique, and that's very rare in
this genre.

> As far as NE goes, i think NE is done for, too.. but who knows..

True. I figured they were done after ebbhead, and then along came Big
Hit.

--
candle
mhm27x19 ICQ#34579920 AIM:zantetsuken76
http://www.brokentoyforalonelygirl.tk

[Sound Mirror]

Girl the Bourgeois Individualist <***@NOSPAMsortedmagazine.com> wrote in
message news:92HOa.5488$***@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net...
>
>
> Mute are preparing a major 3-CD rerelease schedule to follow up on the
remix
> 12"s (greatest hits, remixes and rarities, and live CDs, I think, it was
on
> Sideline a while back, nothing on the Mute site) and there are serious
rumours
> going around that they'll reform.
>

That would rule.. we need some of the "old school" industrialists back on
the scene! Man, that'd be a dream come true. At least we have new Cubanate,
new Chemlab, and possibly new B6 to look forward to! Oh, and Kraftwerk's new
album which is supposed to be released later this month.


> On a related note of returning Old Schoolers, the Weathermen are back
> together - http://www.theweathermen.net (they're currently hunting for a
label
> to release their rather cracking new album).
>

Blah, I just don't see what's so great about them. I have 1 of their CDs,
and I've heard a few MP3s.. I find them kinda boring :-/

[broken toy for a lonely girl]

Sound Mirror is a broken toy, for a lonely girl...:

>
> Girl the Bourgeois Individualist <***@NOSPAMsortedmagazine.com>
wrote in
> message news:92HOa.5488$***@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net...
>>
>>
>> Mute are preparing a major 3-CD rerelease schedule to follow up on
the
> remix
>> 12"s (greatest hits, remixes and rarities, and live CDs, I think,
it was
> on
>> Sideline a while back, nothing on the Mute site) and there are
serious
> rumours
>> going around that they'll reform.
>>
>
> That would rule.. we need some of the "old school" industrialists
back on
> the scene! Man, that'd be a dream come true. At least we have new
Cubanate,
> new Chemlab, and possibly new B6 to look forward to! Oh, and
Kraftwerk's new
> album which is supposed to be released later this month.

*raises eyebrow*

new chemlab? out yet, and any good? speaking of old school, wasn't
laibach supposed to put out a new record, or did they and I missed
it?

--
candle
mhm27x19 ICQ#34579920 AIM:zantetsuken76
http://www.brokentoyforalonelygirl.tk

[broken toy for a lonely girl]

Sound Mirror is a broken toy, for a lonely girl...:

>
> broken toy for a lonely girl <***@catholic.org> wrote in
message
> news:***@216.168.3.44...
>> *raises eyebrow*
>>
>> new chemlab? out yet, and any good?
>
> well, from what I've read, the new Chemlab is in the works.. but
it's
> supposed to be Jared, without Dylan.. should be interestnig. I hope
it's
> nothing like Jared Louche and the Aliens.. heh

yikes, now that was a bad disc, and not bad, in a redeeming way, like
en esch's cheesy...

--
candle
mhm27x19 ICQ#34579920 AIM:zantetsuken76
http://www.brokentoyforalonelygirl.tk

[Delameko Stone]

> >> *raises eyebrow*
> >>
> >> new chemlab? out yet, and any good?
> >
> > well, from what I've read, the new Chemlab is in the works.. but
> it's
> > supposed to be Jared, without Dylan.. should be interestnig. I hope
> it's
> > nothing like Jared Louche and the Aliens.. heh
>
> yikes, now that was a bad disc, and not bad, in a redeeming way, like
> en esch's cheesy...


I really like Jared Louche & The Aliens. Especially Suicide Jag, Summer
Wind and Sexy Boy (Reprise).


As for the new Chemlab, its not /just/ Jared. Acumen are pretty heavily
involved, and some others.

[Sound Mirror]

Delameko Stone <***@jslater.plus.com> wrote in message
news:y51Pa.46582$***@wards.force9.net...
>
>
> As for the new Chemlab, its not /just/ Jared. Acumen are pretty heavily
> involved, and some others.
>

I never got into Acumen Nation and related projects much.. I guess I just
don't see what's so great about them :-/
So, I wonder how that will influence the new Chemlab. I'd like to hear an
updated combination of Burnout at the H2 Bar and East Side Militia.. an
equal mix of guitar and electronics.. maybe more on the electronics side.

[Delameko Stone]

"Sound Mirror" <***@KMFDM.+++++.COM> wrote in message
news:bc5Pa.23847$***@sccrnsc01...
>
> Delameko Stone <***@jslater.plus.com> wrote in message
> news:y51Pa.46582$***@wards.force9.net...
> >
> >
> > As for the new Chemlab, its not /just/ Jared. Acumen are pretty heavily
> > involved, and some others.
> >
>
> I never got into Acumen Nation and related projects much.. I guess I just
> don't see what's so great about them :-/
> So, I wonder how that will influence the new Chemlab. I'd like to hear an
> updated combination of Burnout at the H2 Bar and East Side Militia.. an
> equal mix of guitar and electronics.. maybe more on the electronics side.

Yeah, definitely. I'm really looking forward to it, I hope it doesn't suck.

I'm not much into Acumen (they've dropped the Nation again) either, but I've
only got the first two albums (both second hand for a fiver). I thought the
songs were there, but I didn't really like the production, it was various
messy. I'm hoping they've improved with age...

[Jamie Rosen]

"Delameko Stone" (***@jslater.plus.com) writes:
>
> I'm not much into Acumen (they've dropped the Nation again) either, but I've
> only got the first two albums (both second hand for a fiver). I thought the
> songs were there, but I didn't really like the production, it was various
> messy. I'm hoping they've improved with age...

Their production on the DJ? Acucrack stuff has improved, so I'd guess the
Acumen stuff probably has improved too.

np: Pupil _A Tangent of Truth_

--

Jamie Rosen's e-book _Vessel of Heaven_ is now available from Jintsu Etexts
Check it out at http://www.eggplant-productions.com/jintsu

[Crudbreeder]

broken toy for a lonely girl wrote:
>
> > well, from what I've read, the new Chemlab is in the works.. but
> it's
> > supposed to be Jared, without Dylan.. should be interestnig. I hope
> it's
> > nothing like Jared Louche and the Aliens.. heh
>
> yikes, now that was a bad disc, and not bad, in a redeeming way, like
> en esch's cheesy...

I thought it was a very nice disc...

And it will be like "aliens" in that it will be Jared doing vocals to
other peoples music.

--
"doggystyle isn't just for americans, doggystyle is for everyone!"
~Jesster

[broken toy for a lonely girl]

Loki Ambrodious von Esling is a broken toy, for a lonely girl...:

> In article <***@216.168.3.44>,
broken toy for a lonely girl wrote:
>> laibach supposed to put out a new record, or did they and I missed
>> it?
>>
>
> soon very soon. check www.nskstate.com for info

gracias for the info. I really dig their work, and here's hoping for
a good result.

--
candle
mhm27x19 ICQ#34579920 AIM:zantetsuken76
http://www.brokentoyforalonelygirl.tk

[Michael Mierzwa]

broken toy for a lonely girl wrote:


> speaking of old school, wasn't
> laibach supposed to put out a new record, or did they and I missed
> it?

Today as I was making a few wish lists, I saw it listed at
http://www.strangefortune.com/ as a preorder.

However, since I'm not old school, but just discovering it, I'll
probably wait for it to come out and here what people have to say first.
Gotta love our music taste testers.

-Michael

[Crudbreeder]

broken toy for a lonely girl wrote:
>
> new chemlab? out yet, and any good? speaking of old school, wasn't
> laibach supposed to put out a new record, or did they and I missed
> it?

New single "Tanz mit Laibach" august 25th, followed by a eurotour and an
album "WAT" September 8th

http://www.nskstate.com/

But I don't have any higher hopes for it.

--
Old, FForEign aNd Drunken Minister
--
"doggystyle isn't just for americans, doggystyle is for everyone!"
~Jesster

[Sound Mirror]

Per <***@bork.bork> wrote in message news:***@bork.bork...
>
> I hope it's better than "Tour De France 2003." That was horrible,
> horrible, horrible. I am glad I got to listen to it before I made my
> decision not to buy it.
>

Hmm.. I just downloaded the song and I think it's alright. But seriously,
what did you expect from Kraftwerk?

[Per]

Sound Mirror wrote:
>
> Per <***@bork.bork> wrote in message news:***@bork.bork...
> >
> > I hope it's better than "Tour De France 2003." That was horrible,
> > horrible, horrible. I am glad I got to listen to it before I made my
> > decision not to buy it.
> >
>
> Hmm.. I just downloaded the song and I think it's alright. But seriously,
> what did you expect from Kraftwerk?

I should know better. heh. I think I'm expecting something grand, but
all I get is recycled sound.

--
Per - scandalATattbiDOTcom

mhm 24x23 icq: 6047688

[Crudbreeder]

Sound Mirror wrote:
>
>
> That would rule.. we need some of the "old school" industrialists back on
> the scene! Man, that'd be a dream come true. At least we have new Cubanate,
> new Chemlab, and possibly new B6 to look forward to! Oh, and Kraftwerk's new
> album which is supposed to be released later this month.

*hits steve with the big ole clue bat*

--
Old, FForEign aNd Drunken Minister
--
"doggystyle isn't just for americans, doggystyle is for everyone!"
~Jesster

[Sound Mirror]

Crudbreeder <***@psynet.net> wrote in message
news:***@psynet.net...
> Sound Mirror wrote:
> >
> >
> > That would rule.. we need some of the "old school" industrialists back
on
> > the scene! Man, that'd be a dream come true. At least we have new
Cubanate,
> > new Chemlab, and possibly new B6 to look forward to! Oh, and Kraftwerk's
new
> > album which is supposed to be released later this month.
>
> *hits steve with the big ole clue bat*
>

i know kraftwerk aren't particularly "industrial"... but when i use that
term, I refer to what most people term post-industrial music. it's too much
pointless work to come up with some discombobulated term to describe the
likes of FLA, 242, Chemlab, KMFDM, Nitzer Ebb, etc etc.
And by "old school", i'd give that term mainly to the bands that came
pre-1990.. but i'd still give it sparingly to early 90's industrial related
bands.

[dabblerblue]

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 03:05:20 GMT, "Sound Mirror"
<***@KMFDM.+++++.COM> wrote:

>
>Jamie Rosen <***@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message
>news:bet59g$h5e$***@freenet9.carleton.ca...
>> "Sound Mirror" (***@KMFDM.+++++.COM) writes:
>> > Crudbreeder <***@psynet.net> wrote in message
>> > news:***@psynet.net...
>> >>
>> >> *hits steve with the big ole clue bat*
>> >
>> > i know kraftwerk aren't particularly "industrial"... but when i use that
>> > term, I refer to what most people term post-industrial music.
>>
>> But Kraftwerk are pre-industrial by the hardline definition of
>> "industrial", aren't they?
>>
>
>which begs the question.. "What IS industrial??" just kidding!!!
>

You have unleashed the FUCKING FURY!!

-- phil.

[dabblerblue]

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 03:52:54 GMT, "Sound Mirror"
<***@KMFDM.+++++.COM> wrote:

>> You have unleashed the FUCKING FURY!!
>>
>
>A fucking fury? Can I watch?
>Anyone got a video camera?
>

Go batty.

Be advised that it's gonna be 8 guys (some with dubious sexual
preferences, one who is more or less comatose), and one girl (holding
piano wire and a staple gun).

-- phil.

[Todd Clayton]

dabblerblue wrote:

>>>You have unleashed the FUCKING FURY!!
>>>
>>A fucking fury? Can I watch?
>>Anyone got a video camera?
>
> Go batty.
>
> Be advised that it's gonna be 8 guys (some with dubious sexual
> preferences, one who is more or less comatose), and one girl (holding
> piano wire and a staple gun).

I like those odds! Count me in!

--
+---------------------------------+--------------------------------+
| Todd Clayton aka DJ Todd | Real Synthetic Audio |
| http://www.industrial-radio.com | Electro-Industrial-Synthpop |
| irc.habber.net #rmipeople | radio for the net-generation. |
| ***@synthetic.org | Unlicensed, Unregulated, and |
| ICQ: 56785153 | Unconventional. |
+---------------------------------+--------------------------------+
It's no fun when your cat starts thinking outside the box.

[dabblerblue]

On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:09:32 GMT, Todd Clayton <***@synthetic.org>
wrote:

>dabblerblue wrote:
>
>>>>You have unleashed the FUCKING FURY!!
>>>>
>>>A fucking fury? Can I watch?
>>>Anyone got a video camera?
>>
>> Go batty.
>>
>> Be advised that it's gonna be 8 guys (some with dubious sexual
>> preferences, one who is more or less comatose), and one girl (holding
>> piano wire and a staple gun).
>
>I like those odds! Count me in!

Oh, you are, my friend, you are...

*chortle*

-- phil.

[Paul's penis is HELL, boy.]

>>*hits steve with the big ole clue bat*
>>
> i know kraftwerk aren't particularly "industrial"... but when i use that
> term, I refer to what most people term post-industrial music. it's too much
> pointless work to come up with some discombobulated term to describe the
> likes of FLA, 242, Chemlab, KMFDM, Nitzer Ebb, etc etc.
> And by "old school", i'd give that term mainly to the bands that came
> pre-1990.. but i'd still give it sparingly to early 90's industrial related
> bands.

you're still an idiot.

i resubscribed to RMI for the first time in 2 years, and this is like,
the 3rd post i saw.

"old shool" industrial is pre-may-1981 (when throbbing gristle broke up)

do not talk about that which you are totally ignorant, assface.
--
np: nothin'

AIM: WhoKilledtheJAMs
dukncovr at kmfdm dot com
http://www.rit.edu/~pmy5192
http://fleischbackstein.iuma.com
http://brb.whereshitler.com


g4sm4sk: oh yes, according to the brb site,
you are going to be in the Electronic Music
Hall of Fame in Tamaqua, PA

[Paul's penis is HELL, boy.]

Girl the Bourgeois Individualist wrote:
> "Paul's penis is HELL, boy." <***@kmfdm.com> wrote in message
> news:beu1kb$8tfnm$***@ID-59433.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
>>>>*hits steve with the big ole clue bat*
>>>>
>>>
>>>i know kraftwerk aren't particularly "industrial"... but when i use that
>>>term, I refer to what most people term post-industrial music. it's too
>
> much
>
>>>pointless work to come up with some discombobulated term to describe the
>>>likes of FLA, 242, Chemlab, KMFDM, Nitzer Ebb, etc etc.
>>>And by "old school", i'd give that term mainly to the bands that came
>>>pre-1990.. but i'd still give it sparingly to early 90's industrial
>
> related
>
>>>bands.
>>
>>you're still an idiot.
>>
>>i resubscribed to RMI for the first time in 2 years, and this is like,
>>the 3rd post i saw.
>>
>>"old shool" industrial is pre-may-1981 (when throbbing gristle broke up)
>>
>
> Do I detect a flaw in the classic elitist line that NOTHING was industrial
> after '81? If that's true, how can there be an old school, as there's no new
> school.

yes, you do detect a flaw in that eletist line, because its a bunch of
crap. granted, after 81, 'industrial' suddenly became a much broader
term, but it still existed. however, no matter how you slice the genre
up, it all but completely stopped being good at some point around 1992,
when Wax Trax was bought out.

additionally, the only industrial band steve (sound mirror) thinks he
can name is Stabbing Westward, so do not listen to him.
--
np: nothin'

AIM: WhoKilledtheJAMs
dukncovr at kmfdm dot com
http://www.rit.edu/~pmy5192
http://fleischbackstein.iuma.com
http://brb.whereshitler.com


g4sm4sk: oh yes, according to the brb site,
you are going to be in the Electronic Music
Hall of Fame in Tamaqua, PA

[Sound Mirror]

Paul's penis is HELL, boy. <duk_n_BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!_to_+steve+***@kmfdm.com>
wrote in message news:bf0i2p$9p84j$***@ID-59433.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> additionally, the only industrial band steve (sound mirror) thinks he
> can name is Stabbing Westward, so do not listen to him.
>

hey, i'm just here for discussion/conversation.. not here to put anyone
down, call anyone names, or otherwise flame anyone.

[Paul's penis is HELL, boy.]

>>additionally, the only industrial band steve (sound mirror) thinks he
>>can name is Stabbing Westward, so do not listen to him.
>
> hey, i'm just here for discussion/conversation.. not here to put anyone
> down, call anyone names, or otherwise flame anyone.

that's still not a justification for the fact that you know nothing
about the origins of industrial music.
--
np: Negativland - Helter Stupid
AIM: WhoKilledtheJAMs
dukncovr at kmfdm dot com
http://www.rit.edu/~pmy5192
http://fleischbackstein.iuma.com
http://brb.whereshitler.com


g4sm4sk: oh yes, according to the brb site,
you are going to be in the Electronic Music
Hall of Fame in Tamaqua, PA

[Sound Mirror]

Paul's penis is HELL, boy. <duk_n_BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!_to_+steve+***@kmfdm.com>
wrote in message news:bf0n9n$9mmcu$***@ID-59433.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >>additionally, the only industrial band steve (sound mirror) thinks he
> >>can name is Stabbing Westward, so do not listen to him.
> >
> > hey, i'm just here for discussion/conversation.. not here to put anyone
> > down, call anyone names, or otherwise flame anyone.
>
> that's still not a justification for the fact that you know nothing
> about the origins of industrial music.
>

... or so you think. Just what is your point, anyway?

[Paul's penis is HELL, boy.]

Sound Mirror wrote:
> Paul's penis is HELL, boy. <duk_n_BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!_to_+steve+***@kmfdm.com>
> wrote in message news:bf0n9n$9mmcu$***@ID-59433.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
>>>>additionally, the only industrial band steve (sound mirror) thinks he
>>>>can name is Stabbing Westward, so do not listen to him.
>>>
>>>hey, i'm just here for discussion/conversation.. not here to put anyone
>>>down, call anyone names, or otherwise flame anyone.
>>
>>that's still not a justification for the fact that you know nothing
>>about the origins of industrial music.
>>
>
>
> ... or so you think. Just what is your point, anyway?

...that you shouldn't try to make a point when you really aren't
well-informed on the subject (i.e., the origins of industrial music)
--
np: nothin'

AIM: WhoKilledtheJAMs
dukncovr at kmfdm dot com
http://www.rit.edu/~pmy5192
http://fleischbackstein.iuma.com
http://brb.whereshitler.com


g4sm4sk: oh yes, according to the brb site,
you are going to be in the Electronic Music
Hall of Fame in Tamaqua, PA

[Sound Mirror]

Paul's penis is HELL, boy. <duk_n_BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!_to_+steve+***@kmfdm.com>
wrote in message news:bf1pq2$a842n$***@ID-59433.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Sound Mirror wrote:
> > Paul's penis is HELL, boy.
<duk_n_BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!_to_+steve+***@kmfdm.com>
> > wrote in message news:bf0n9n$9mmcu$***@ID-59433.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> >>>>additionally, the only industrial band steve (sound mirror) thinks he
> >>>>can name is Stabbing Westward, so do not listen to him.
> >>>
> >>>hey, i'm just here for discussion/conversation.. not here to put anyone
> >>>down, call anyone names, or otherwise flame anyone.
> >>
> >>that's still not a justification for the fact that you know nothing
> >>about the origins of industrial music.
> >>
> >
> >
> > ... or so you think. Just what is your point, anyway?
>
> ...that you shouldn't try to make a point when you really aren't
> well-informed on the subject (i.e., the origins of industrial music)
>

... or so you think

[Paul's penis is HELL, boy.]

>>>>>>additionally, the only industrial band steve (sound mirror) thinks he
>>>>>>can name is Stabbing Westward, so do not listen to him.
>>>>>
>>>>>hey, i'm just here for discussion/conversation.. not here to put anyone
>>>>>down, call anyone names, or otherwise flame anyone.
>>>>
>>>>that's still not a justification for the fact that you know nothing
>>>>about the origins of industrial music.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>... or so you think. Just what is your point, anyway?
>>
>>...that you shouldn't try to make a point when you really aren't
>>well-informed on the subject (i.e., the origins of industrial music)
>>
>
>
> ... or so you think

this really isn't a matter of opinion.

how much do you know about TG, for example?
--
np: nothin'

AIM: WhoKilledtheJAMs
dukncovr at kmfdm dot com
http://www.rit.edu/~pmy5192
http://fleischbackstein.iuma.com
http://brb.whereshitler.com


g4sm4sk: oh yes, according to the brb site,
you are going to be in the Electronic Music
Hall of Fame in Tamaqua, PA

[Paul's penis is HELL, boy.]

Workbreeder wrote:

> "Paul's penis is HELL, boy." wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>additionally, the only industrial band steve (sound mirror) thinks he
>>>>>>>>can name is Stabbing Westward, so do not listen to him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>hey, i'm just here for discussion/conversation.. not here to put anyone
>>>>>>>down, call anyone names, or otherwise flame anyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>that's still not a justification for the fact that you know nothing
>>>>>>about the origins of industrial music.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>... or so you think. Just what is your point, anyway?
>>>>
>>>>...that you shouldn't try to make a point when you really aren't
>>>>well-informed on the subject (i.e., the origins of industrial music)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>... or so you think
>>
>>this really isn't a matter of opinion.
>>
>>how much do you know about TG, for example?
>
>
> how much do YOU know about TG?

probably more than most people need to. i've been a fan for years.

in high school, i wrote a paper about GP-O
the first time i met en esch, i was wearing my PTV shirt, and he started
having a conversation with me about GP-Os genital piercings, which i
have in fact seen pictures of. hooray!
--
np: Grandmaster Flash - The Message

AIM: WhoKilledtheJAMs
dukncovr at kmfdm dot com
http://www.rit.edu/~pmy5192
http://fleischbackstein.iuma.com
http://brb.whereshitler.com


g4sm4sk: oh yes, according to the brb site,
you are going to be in the Electronic Music
Hall of Fame in Tamaqua, PA

[Crudbreeder]

"Paul's penis is HELL, boy." wrote:
>
> Workbreeder wrote:
> >
> >
> > how much do YOU know about TG?
>
> probably more than most people need to. i've been a fan for years.
>
> in high school, i wrote a paper about GP-O
> the first time i met en esch, i was wearing my PTV shirt, and he started
> having a conversation with me about GP-Os genital piercings, which i
> have in fact seen pictures of. hooray!

Wasn't that like, less than two years ago?

--
Old, FForEign aNd Drunken Minister
--
"doggystyle isn't just for americans, doggystyle is for everyone!"
~Jesster

[Paul's penis is HELL, boy.]

Crudbreeder wrote:
> "Paul's penis is HELL, boy." wrote:
>
>>Workbreeder wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>how much do YOU know about TG?
>>
>>probably more than most people need to. i've been a fan for years.
>>
>>in high school, i wrote a paper about GP-O
>>the first time i met en esch, i was wearing my PTV shirt, and he started
>>having a conversation with me about GP-Os genital piercings, which i
>>have in fact seen pictures of. hooray!
>
>
> Wasn't that like, less than two years ago?

the en esch thing was 2 years ago.

you apparently havent been informed that i graduated from college, and
sit in my basement posting to usenet all day since i can't find a job.
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you are going to be in the Electronic Music
Hall of Fame in Tamaqua, PA

[Loki Ambrodious von Esling]

In article <bf454g$b7fqb$***@ID-59433.news.uni-berlin.de>, Paul's penis is HELL, boy. wrote:
> Crudbreeder wrote:
>> "Paul's penis is HELL, boy." wrote:
>>
>>>Workbreeder wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>how much do YOU know about TG?
>>>
>>>probably more than most people need to. i've been a fan for years.
>>>
>>>in high school, i wrote a paper about GP-O
>>>the first time i met en esch, i was wearing my PTV shirt, and he started
>>>having a conversation with me about GP-Os genital piercings, which i
>>>have in fact seen pictures of. hooray!
>>
>>
>> Wasn't that like, less than two years ago?
>
> the en esch thing was 2 years ago.
>
> you apparently havent been informed that i graduated from college, and
> sit in my basement posting to usenet all day since i can't find a job.

i second this, well sort of. I lost my job now lock myself in my barn
posting to usenet all day and listen to Echo and the Bunnymen

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[Paul's penis is HELL, boy.]

>>you apparently havent been informed that i graduated from college, and
>>sit in my basement posting to usenet all day since i can't find a job.
>
>
> i second this, well sort of. I lost my job now lock myself in my barn
> posting to usenet all day and listen to Echo and the Bunnymen

i've been listening to more Revco & Ministry than usual since i've been
down here.
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g4sm4sk: oh yes, according to the brb site,
you are going to be in the Electronic Music
Hall of Fame in Tamaqua, PA

[Sound Mirror]

Paul's penis is HELL, boy. <duk_n_BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!_to_+steve+***@kmfdm.com>
wrote in message news:bf3r81$ajgkg$***@ID-59433.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> GP-Os genital piercings, which i
> have in fact seen pictures of. hooray!
>

i'm sure many people have.. myself included
::shrugs::

[Girl the Bourgeois Individualist]

"Sound Mirror" <***@KMFDM.+++++.COM> wrote in message
news:EIgRa.80315$***@sccrnsc02...
>
> Paul's penis is HELL, boy. <duk_n_BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!_to_+steve+***@kmfdm.com>
> wrote in message news:bf3r81$ajgkg$***@ID-59433.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > GP-Os genital piercings, which i
> > have in fact seen pictures of. hooray!
> >
>
> i'm sure many people have.. myself included
> ::shrugs::
>
Sure isn't owning the Modern Primitives issue of RE:search vital to true
industriality?

Girl.

[Loki Ambrodious von Esling]

In article <aDjRa.12924$***@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net>, Girl the Bourgeois Individualist wrote:
>
> "Sound Mirror" <***@KMFDM.+++++.COM> wrote in message
> news:EIgRa.80315$***@sccrnsc02...
>>
>> Paul's penis is HELL, boy. <duk_n_BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!_to_+steve+***@kmfdm.com>
>> wrote in message news:bf3r81$ajgkg$***@ID-59433.news.uni-berlin.de...
>> >
>> > GP-Os genital piercings, which i
>> > have in fact seen pictures of. hooray!
>> >
>>
>> i'm sure many people have.. myself included
>> ::shrugs::
>>
> Sure isn't owning the Modern Primitives issue of RE:search vital to true
> industriality?
>

I've read the TG biography "Wreckers of Civilization." Not a brag or
anything, buti t's quite an interesting read on the history of Throbbing
Gristle, Coum Transmissions, Industrial records, and more. As well as a
really cool bio of GP-O.

And GP-O looks EXACTLY like his parents, there's a pic of them in there
and GP-O has the same disturbing stare that they do.

Lots of interestesting and creepy pictures and flyers too.

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[Girl the Bourgeois Individualist]

"Loki Ambrodious von Esling" <[e-mail]> wrote in
message news:[e-mail]...
> In article <aDjRa.12924$***@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net>, Girl the
Bourgeois Individualist wrote:
> >
> > "Sound Mirror" <***@KMFDM.+++++.COM> wrote in message
> > news:EIgRa.80315$***@sccrnsc02...
> >>
> >> Paul's penis is HELL, boy.
<duk_n_BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!_to_+steve+***@kmfdm.com>
> >> wrote in message news:bf3r81$ajgkg$***@ID-59433.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >> >
> >> > GP-Os genital piercings, which i
> >> > have in fact seen pictures of. hooray!
> >> >
> >>
> >> i'm sure many people have.. myself included
> >> ::shrugs::
> >>
> > Sure isn't owning the Modern Primitives issue of RE:search vital to true
> > industriality?
> >
>
> I've read the TG biography "Wreckers of Civilization." Not a brag or
> anything, buti t's quite an interesting read on the history of Throbbing
> Gristle, Coum Transmissions, Industrial records, and more. As well as a
> really cool bio of GP-O.
>
> And GP-O looks EXACTLY like his parents, there's a pic of them in there
> and GP-O has the same disturbing stare that they do.
>
> Lots of interestesting and creepy pictures and flyers too.
>
Fucking spooking coinkidink. I'm discussing TG on alt.punk.uk and just got
that very same book out to check Gen's age (53). And what time is it? After
11pm - 23:00+. Shite, that number's starting to piss me off at this stage. I
explained the 23 Enigma thing to a friend in the pub a couple of weeks ago and
challenged him to pick any other number and compare how many times the two
cropped up. It was the same weekend David Bleedin' Beckham got his new shirt
and 23 was on the cover of nearly every newspaper for 3 days and all over the
TV. What is the universe trying to tell me? Eris can be a real bitch.

Girl.

[Loki Ambrodious von Esling]

In article <wukRa.10758$***@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net>, Girl the Bourgeois Individualist wrote:
>
> "Loki Ambrodious von Esling" <[e-mail]> wrote in
> message news:[e-mail]...
>> In article <aDjRa.12924$***@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net>, Girl the
> Bourgeois Individualist wrote:
>> >
>> > "Sound Mirror" <***@KMFDM.+++++.COM> wrote in message
>> > news:EIgRa.80315$***@sccrnsc02...
>> >>
>> >> Paul's penis is HELL, boy.
><duk_n_BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!_to_+steve+***@kmfdm.com>
>> >> wrote in message news:bf3r81$ajgkg$***@ID-59433.news.uni-berlin.de...
>> >> >
>> >> > GP-Os genital piercings, which i
>> >> > have in fact seen pictures of. hooray!
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> i'm sure many people have.. myself included
>> >> ::shrugs::
>> >>
>> > Sure isn't owning the Modern Primitives issue of RE:search vital to true
>> > industriality?
>> >
>>
>> I've read the TG biography "Wreckers of Civilization." Not a brag or
>> anything, buti t's quite an interesting read on the history of Throbbing
>> Gristle, Coum Transmissions, Industrial records, and more. As well as a
>> really cool bio of GP-O.
>>
>> And GP-O looks EXACTLY like his parents, there's a pic of them in there
>> and GP-O has the same disturbing stare that they do.
>>
>> Lots of interestesting and creepy pictures and flyers too.
>>
> Fucking spooking coinkidink. I'm discussing TG on alt.punk.uk and just got
> that very same book out to check Gen's age (53). And what time is it? After
> 11pm - 23:00+. Shite, that number's starting to piss me off at this stage. I
> explained the 23 Enigma thing to a friend in the pub a couple of weeks ago and
> challenged him to pick any other number and compare how many times the two
> cropped up. It was the same weekend David Bleedin' Beckham got his new shirt
> and 23 was on the cover of nearly every newspaper for 3 days and all over the
> TV. What is the universe trying to tell me? Eris can be a real bitch.
>

Read "Bad Wisdom" by Bill Drummond and Mark Manning. lots of discordian
numerology refrences, but in the end Bill says they were put in there
just to make number geeks go nuts.

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[Michael Mierzwa]

Paul's penis is HELL, boy. wrote:


> this really isn't a matter of opinion.

Well, you're totally right here.

This is more about a flame war now. Though the irony is the traffic on
the list has increased.

-Michael

[Paul's penis is HELL, boy.]

Michael Mierzwa wrote:

> Paul's penis is HELL, boy. wrote:
>
>
>> this really isn't a matter of opinion.
>
>
> Well, you're totally right here.
>
> This is more about a flame war now. Though the irony is the traffic on
> the list has increased.


yes. hooray!

at least it's posts about something other than the playlist of some
obscure club that no one goes to or cares about.
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g4sm4sk: oh yes, according to the brb site,
you are going to be in the Electronic Music
Hall of Fame in Tamaqua, PA

[Michael Mierzwa]

Paul's penis is HELL, boy. wrote:


> at least it's posts about something other than the playlist of some
> obscure club that no one goes to or cares about.

Actually, I do care about the playlists of clubs (obscure or not), as it
gives me an idea about what people are playing / requesting / listening
to. Ain't that much different than the:

n.p. <band name> :: <album name>

footers people carry around here. And I actually like them too for the
same reason.

-Michael

[Paul's penis is HELL, boy.]

Michael Mierzwa wrote:

> Paul's penis is HELL, boy. wrote:
>
>
>> at least it's posts about something other than the playlist of some
>> obscure club that no one goes to or cares about.
>
>
> Actually, I do care about the playlists of clubs (obscure or not), as it
> gives me an idea about what people are playing / requesting / listening
> to. Ain't that much different than the:
>
> n.p. <band name> :: <album name>
>
> footers people carry around here. And I actually like them too for the
> same reason.

there's nothing wrong with np: tags, but i think that's a more
reasonable estimation of what anyone is actually listening to vs. a club
playlist. it's just annoying to me, because that's half of the posts in
RMI: playlists.
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g4sm4sk: oh yes, according to the brb site,
you are going to be in the Electronic Music
Hall of Fame in Tamaqua, PA

[Paul's penis is HELL, boy.]

> there's nothing wrong with np: tags, but i think that's a more
> reasonable estimation of what anyone is actually listening to vs. a club
> playlist. it's just annoying to me, because that's half of the posts in
> RMI: playlists.

oh yeah, and people selling their crap. can't forget that.
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g4sm4sk: oh yes, according to the brb site,
you are going to be in the Electronic Music
Hall of Fame in Tamaqua, PA

[Locke]

Please let me quote Paul's penis is HELL, boy....
|there's nothing wrong with np: tags, but i think that's a more
|reasonable estimation of what anyone is actually listening to vs. a club
|playlist.

A club playlist is a very reasonable estimation of what the audience in
the club was listening to, provided that there actually was an audience
in the club that night.

| it's just annoying to me, because that's half of the posts in
|RMI: playlists.

Well, when you are annoyed by the amount of playlist postings in RMI
there's only one thing you can do about it: post more, and post
something interesting. If your postings are interesting enough to other
people they will respond, and you'll end up with a favorable amount of
non-playlist postings on RMI. Whining, OTOH, won't help.

CU,
Locke

NP: Throbbing Gristle "TG 24 : Live @ Scala Cinema, London"
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[Girl the Bourgeois Individualist]

"Locke" <***@mad.scientist.com> wrote in message
news:bf6bo9$25j$***@online.de...
>
> | it's just annoying to me, because that's half of the posts in
> |RMI: playlists.
>
> Well, when you are annoyed by the amount of playlist postings in RMI
> there's only one thing you can do about it: post more, and post
> something interesting. If your postings are interesting enough to other
> people they will respond, and you'll end up with a favorable amount of
> non-playlist postings on RMI. Whining, OTOH, won't help.
>
Just gonna say the same thing myself, the posting rate on this board has
plummetted in recent times and it's coming to resemble the likes of
alt.music.ebm, simply because all that's posted are playlists, ads and
auctions. Post more, the balance changes.

Girl.

[Michael Mierzwa]

Paul's penis is HELL, boy. wrote:

> there's nothing wrong with np: tags, but i think that's a more
> reasonable estimation of what anyone is actually listening to vs. a club
> playlist. it's just annoying to me, because that's half of the posts in
> RMI: playlists.

It depends. The reason there is such a thing as "club top-40" music
(g/i has its own top-40) is people request the stuff and want it.

As for half the posts being playlists, well ... gee, maybe if when
somebody tried to talk about music (even if they are wrong), instead of
getting FLAMED, other people just said,

"Actually it is more like this ..."

More people would post more often. I know I keep many of my opinions to
myself instead of starting threads, because there is some truth to the
constant joke about music elitism.

Would it be fair to say that the complaint isn't that playlists are
being posted, but that because of a lack of content, they dominate the
newsgroup?

Michael
n.p. halo_gen :: s/t

[Sound Mirror]

Michael Mierzwa <***@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:***@ix.netcom.com...
>
> As for half the posts being playlists, well ... gee, maybe if when
> somebody tried to talk about music (even if they are wrong), instead of
> getting FLAMED, other people just said,
>
> "Actually it is more like this ..."
>

Exactly..
I have my own 2 definitions of what "industrial" music is.. the first being
the older industrial stuff, like 70's/very early 80s, and the newer
industrial stuff, like 80s to the present. Any purist would disagree.. and
that's ok if they want to, cuz I ain't gonna lose hair over trying to
correct someone. Let's be realistic, no one will ever agree on a single
definition for the term. You can either try and correct every single person
that has a different viewpoint, or you can learn to accept that everyone's
view is different and not worry about it. I choose the latter option.
By the time you die, when you've told everyone what you think the true
definition of industrial is, will you really have accomplished anything?
It's a rhetorical question, by the way...

[Paul's penis is HELL, boy.]

> Imagine 20 years from now when there's a resurgance of terrible dark
> angry techno pop will from into a new genere called "metropolis."

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Hall of Fame in Tamaqua, PA

[phatmike]

shizzle my fizzle, ***@ix.netcom.com izzoed this izzay :

>> Imagine 20 years from now when there's a resurgance of terrible dark
>> angry techno pop will from into a new genere called "metropolis."
>
>Ugh! Actually this was the most interesting thing I've seen in a long
>time, because I'm wondering if this could happen. Not that this is a

it's happening in the techno scene with the whole "tech funk" thing.

annoying.

-mike
np: nada surf - popular
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[Girl the Bourgeois Individualist]

"Michael Mierzwa" <***@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:***@ix.netcom.com...
>
> Ugh! Actually this was the most interesting thing I've seen in a long
> time, because I'm wondering if this could happen. Not that this is a
> genere, but when playing some Impressions of Winter for a friend from
> college he said, "Gee this sounds like 4ad." Which surprised the hell
> out of me, since I didn't think he listened to that much of it, but also
> because he knew enough to attach a label to a sound, but didn't know
> that others would call it "heavenly voices" or "ethereal".
>
Heh, I do that myself sometimes, people tend to know what you mean when you
say "early 4AD" (ie. Cochteaus, DCD, This Mortal Coil and Lush), even though
the Pixies and Throwing Muses were 4AD's biggest acts and Lush weren't even on
4AD! I picked it up somewhere along the way, I presume Ivo isn't too bothered
(and probably fairly pleased as he was one of the ethereal pioneers). That
said, I also use ethereal or atmospheric depending. Hey, consistency was never
one of my main traits.

Girl.

[Michael Mierzwa]

brent jackson wrote:

> In article <d5ZSa.2425$***@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net>,
> Girl the Bourgeois Individualist <***@NOSPAMsortedmagazine.com> wrote:

>>Heh, I do that myself sometimes, people tend to know what you mean when you
>>say "early 4AD" (ie. Cochteaus, DCD, This Mortal Coil and Lush), even though
>>the Pixies and Throwing Muses were 4AD's biggest acts and Lush weren't even on
>>4AD!
>
> eh? lush were definitely on 4AD - every album and ep.
>
> lush and dead can dance? they don't sound the slightest bit similar! an odd
> way to define a musical style. anyway, i thought "early 4AD" meant xmal
> deutschland, dif juz, birthday party, bauhaus, etc..


Actually the friend in question was probably thinking:

This Mortal Coil,
DCD, &
Cocteau Twins.

Though I know he owned plenty of Pixies as well. 'cause this was back
in the day before I could afford CDs, so much of what I listened to was
borrowed from him and his roommate (who was into the Puppies).

But before straying too far from the original point, labels can be
incredibly good indicators of a style of music. Sometimes, not always.
In this point, when he said that, I knew exactly what other types of
music I might throw his way (of course it helped when he also showed a
greater interest in the Impressions of Winter and just tried to talk
over the Hocico I was playing before that).

I guess a good question would be:

What labels can be characterized has having a consistent sound?

I'd be curious for _then_ and now.

Michael
n.p. babylon 5 soundtrack :: the face of the enemy

[brent jackson]

In article <***@ix.netcom.com>,
Michael Mierzwa <***@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>But before straying too far from the original point, labels can be
>incredibly good indicators of a style of music. Sometimes, not always.

certainly. for instance, if someone told me that a record that was "mininal
house, like the stuff on kompakt", i'd know exactly what they meant. however,
in the case of "early 4AD", if somebody used that phrase to describe some
music to me, i would have thought it meant something quite different from
what you or girl etc. thought.

>I guess a good question would be:
>
> What labels can be characterized has having a consistent sound?

too many to list. most independent lables are founded by people who have a
love for a certain style of music or a strong allegiance to a "scene". hence,
they tend to release records which can fit inside a few closely-related
subgenres. truly eclectic labels are far more rare.

-brent
now playing: rapoon _fallen gods_

[Michael Mierzwa]

Girl the Bourgeois Individualist wrote:

> Heh, I do that myself sometimes, people tend to know what you mean when you
> say "early 4AD" (ie. Cochteaus, DCD, This Mortal Coil and Lush), even though
> the Pixies and Throwing Muses were 4AD's biggest acts and Lush weren't even on
> 4AD! I picked it up somewhere along the way, I presume Ivo isn't too bothered
> (and probably fairly pleased as he was one of the ethereal pioneers). That
> said, I also use ethereal or atmospheric depending. Hey, consistency was never
> one of my main traits.

I was tempted to combine this with the last reply ...

Don't worry about being inconsistent about finding a label for that
sound / genre. I was seeing dealers in europe labeling it as:
"Ethereal", "Atmospheric", "Heavenly Voices", "Ambient", "Dark Wave",
etc. The point being, I think everybody is just as inconsistent.

Though I personally liked how the genre names seemed to be in English
and *not* German, and yet, the vast majority of people at
Wave-Gothik-Treffen were German or German speakers.


Changing the subject, is anybody going to the shows (Dive / Monolith /
others & then Converter / Tarmvred the next day) in Toronto the last
week in August? Are the tickets still on sale?

Michael

[Girl the Bourgeois Individualist]

"brent jackson" <***@katie.ctc.net> wrote in message
news:***@ctc.net...
> >>
> >Heh, I do that myself sometimes, people tend to know what you mean when you
> >say "early 4AD" (ie. Cochteaus, DCD, This Mortal Coil and Lush), even
though
> >the Pixies and Throwing Muses were 4AD's biggest acts and Lush weren't even
on
> >4AD!
>
> eh? lush were definitely on 4AD - every album and ep.

You're right, dunno what I was thinking of!
>
> lush and dead can dance? they don't sound the slightest bit similar! an odd
> way to define a musical style.

That's the thing, though, most of the ethereal/atmospheric scene is somewhere
between those four bands, bits of world music and classical (DCD), floaty
sounds and vocals (Lush/Cochteaus) mixed some experimental noise and classical
elements (This Mortal Coil).

> anyway, i thought "early 4AD" meant xmal
> deutschland, dif juz, birthday party, bauhaus, etc..
>
Nah, that would be your straightforward Goth/post-punk stuff.

Girl.

[Girl the Bourgeois Individualist]

"Girl the Bourgeois Individualist" <***@NOSPAMsortedmagazine.com> wrote in
message news:oyfTa.356$***@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net...
>
> "brent jackson" <***@katie.ctc.net> wrote in message
> news:***@ctc.net...
> > >>
> > >Heh, I do that myself sometimes, people tend to know what you mean when
you
> > >say "early 4AD" (ie. Cochteaus, DCD, This Mortal Coil and Lush), even
> though
> > >the Pixies and Throwing Muses were 4AD's biggest acts and Lush weren't
even
> on
> > >4AD!
> >
> > eh? lush were definitely on 4AD - every album and ep.
>
> You're right, dunno what I was thinking of!
> >
> > lush and dead can dance? they don't sound the slightest bit similar! an
odd
> > way to define a musical style.
>
> That's the thing, though, most of the ethereal/atmospheric scene is
somewhere
> between those four bands, bits of world music and classical (DCD), floaty
> sounds and vocals (Lush/Cochteaus) mixed some experimental noise and
classical
> elements (This Mortal Coil).
>
Not forgetting, of course, a large dose of All About Eve (definitely not on
4AD).

Girl.

[Veni Vidi Exii]

Michael Mierzwa <***@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:***@ix.netcom.com:

> because
> there is some truth to the constant joke about music
> elitism.

No there isn't. Music elitism != differing tastes. I am not an
elitist because I prefer SPK over fruity club beats, it just
means I like SPK. I also happen to think progressive trance
with Depeche Mode vocals isn't industrial. That's not elitism,
that's a firm grip on reality.

> Would it be fair to say that the complaint isn't that
> playlists are being posted, but that because of a lack of
> content, they dominate the newsgroup?

Many regulars left the newsgroup due to the constant spam and
declining content. Which means its a downward spiral - more
spam equals less content which means the content-makers leave,
so spam becomes more prevalent ...
--
-Chris

np: raeuberhoehle - my heart bleeps noisy beeps
"The 80s sucked in the 80s, and they still suck now."
-Shakey Mo Collier

[Michael Mierzwa]

Veni Vidi Exii wrote:

> Michael Mierzwa <***@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
> news:***@ix.netcom.com:
>
>
>>because
>>there is some truth to the constant joke about music
>>elitism.
>>
>
> No there isn't. Music elitism != differing tastes. I am not an
> elitist because I prefer SPK over fruity club beats, it just
> means I like SPK.


I don't think I've _ever_ even said anything about SPK or any other band.

But I am of the opinion that _how_ people share their differing tastes
is the difference between elitism and just differences of opinion.

> Many regulars left the newsgroup due to the constant spam and
> declining content. Which means its a downward spiral - more
> spam equals less content which means the content-makers leave,
> so spam becomes more prevalent ...
>

Yeah. =(
This is something to most groups.

Michael

[Girl the Bourgeois Individualist]

"Michael Mierzwa" <***@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:***@ix.netcom.com...
> Veni Vidi Exii wrote:
>
> > Michael Mierzwa <***@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
> > news:***@ix.netcom.com:
> >
> >>because
> >>there is some truth to the constant joke about music
> >>elitism.
> >>
> >
> > No there isn't. Music elitism != differing tastes. I am not an
> > elitist because I prefer SPK over fruity club beats, it just
> > means I like SPK.
>
> I don't think I've _ever_ even said anything about SPK or any other band.
>
> But I am of the opinion that _how_ people share their differing tastes
> is the difference between elitism and just differences of opinion.
>
Exactly, I'm sorry, but the problem with this group over the past year or so
was that the now absent regulars constantly flamed anyone who wanted to know
more or discuss bands they considered industrial under the very broad general
understanding. Most of these newbies then left and so did the regulars,
leaving only a few thick-skinned former newbies left. Far too often people
have come in and said things along the lines of "hi, I like industrial bands
like NIN and Apoptygma Berzerk" and want to find more stuff and the reaction
was "fuck off, NIN and Apop aren't industrial", instead of, "we don't consider
NIN or Apop industrial, but you might like to try some real industrial bands
like...". The irony is, of course, that since the more hostile regulars have
left, there has been a far more helpful attitude on this group, but it may be
too late.

Girl.

[Sound Mirror]

Girl the Bourgeois Individualist <***@NOSPAMsortedmagazine.com> wrote in
message news:h1ZSa.2420$***@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net...
> >
> Exactly, I'm sorry, but the problem with this group over the past year or
so
> was that the now absent regulars constantly flamed anyone who wanted to
know
> more or discuss bands they considered industrial under the very broad
general
> understanding. Most of these newbies then left and so did the regulars,
> leaving only a few thick-skinned former newbies left. Far too often people
> have come in and said things along the lines of "hi, I like industrial
bands
> like NIN and Apoptygma Berzerk" and want to find more stuff and the
reaction
> was "fuck off, NIN and Apop aren't industrial", instead of, "we don't
consider
> NIN or Apop industrial, but you might like to try some real industrial
bands
> like...". The irony is, of course, that since the more hostile regulars
have
> left, there has been a far more helpful attitude on this group, but it may
be
> too late.
>
>

wow, i couldn't have said it better myself :-)
yeah, i hate when people give that attitude. i just like to talk about music
and stuff, mainly industrial-related music. i can't think of a more accurate
newsgroup to go to to discuss such topics. i try to be friendly and helpful
on the topic, because that's the kind of attitude i would hope to get in
return if i ever had a question about a band, certain style, certain artist,
etc..

[Todd Clayton]

Girl the Bourgeois Individualist wrote:

> Exactly, I'm sorry, but the problem with this group over the past year or so
> was that the now absent regulars constantly flamed anyone who wanted to know
> more or discuss bands they considered industrial under the very broad general
> understanding. Most of these newbies then left and so did the regulars,

That was just Chris, not all of us.

:)

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[Veni Vidi Exii]

Todd Clayton <***@synthetic.org> wrote in
news:h2_Sa.26182$***@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.co
m:

> That was just Chris, not all of us.

With Thee Dok gone, someone had to pick up the torch. After
all, not everyone is worthy to know the greatness that is "Hot
Wired Monster Trux."
--
-Chris

np: DJ Shadow - You Can't Go Home Again (LP Version)
"The 80s sucked in the 80s, and they still suck now."
-Shakey Mo Collier

[car]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Girl the Bourgeois Individualist" <***@NOSPAMsortedmagazine.com>
Newsgroups: rec.music.industrial
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2003 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: time for the yearly question...
>
> Exactly, I'm sorry, but the problem with this group over the past year or
so
> was that the now absent regulars constantly flamed anyone who wanted to
know
> more or discuss bands they considered industrial under the very broad
general
> understanding. Most of these newbies then left and so did the regulars,
> leaving only a few thick-skinned former newbies left. Far too often people
> have come in and said things along the lines of "hi, I like industrial
bands
> like NIN and Apoptygma Berzerk" and want to find more stuff and the
reaction
> was "fuck off, NIN and Apop aren't industrial", instead of, "we don't
consider
> NIN or Apop industrial, but you might like to try some real industrial
bands
> like...". The irony is, of course, that since the more hostile regulars
have
> left, there has been a far more helpful attitude on this group, but it may
be
> too late.
>
oo, oo, I'm a newbie...I'm currently serving out my lurking time though.
Uhm. Yeah. Hello people. Sorry that this post lacks greatly in the way of
substance.

--
car

[Sound Mirror]

car <***@cox.net> wrote in message
news:G4%Sa.16283$***@lakeread02...
> >
> oo, oo, I'm a newbie...I'm currently serving out my lurking time though.
> Uhm. Yeah. Hello people. Sorry that this post lacks greatly in the way of
> substance.
>

hey, no big deal.. in fact, don't even waste your time apologizing for
lacking substance.. at least it's something.

[Michael Mierzwa]

Girl the Bourgeois Individualist wrote:

> The irony is, of course, that since the more hostile regulars have
> left, there has been a far more helpful attitude on this group, but it may be
> too late.


Maybe if more tour information was also posted by bands or people
following the bands, the newsgroup could be a viable resource for
people. At least enough of one that readership would increase. But who
knows how many people are lurking even now!

Or we can wait til Sept. when the next class of freshmen get their first
taste of on-line life ... or does this rule of thumb apply anymore? *grin*

Michael

[car]

"Michael Mierzwa" <***@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:***@ix.netcom.com...
> >
> Or we can wait til Sept. when the next class of freshmen get their first
> taste of on-line life ... or does this rule of thumb apply anymore?
*grin*
>
> Michael
>

eh, i'm not sure it applies anymore...i'm a [rising] junior in high school,
and i've spent every free moment online since about fourth grade. i started
out reading newsgroups; this is actually the first time i've done newsgroups
in years...^^; and sorry about my lack of capitalization; it's a habit i
picked up when my cat spilled coke in my keyboard and my shift key started
to stick.

--
car

[Sound Mirror]

car <***@cox.net> wrote in message news:%O0Ta.16329$***@lakeread02...
>
>
> eh, i'm not sure it applies anymore...i'm a [rising] junior in high
school,
> and i've spent every free moment online since about fourth grade. i
started
> out reading newsgroups; this is actually the first time i've done
newsgroups
> in years...^^; and sorry about my lack of capitalization; it's a habit i
> picked up when my cat spilled coke in my keyboard and my shift key started
> to stick.
>
>

dude, it's ok.. you don't have to apologize for little shit like that.. no
biggie

[Loki Ambrodious von Esling]

In article <xV0Ta.117755$***@sccrnsc02>, Sound Mirror wrote:
>
> car <***@cox.net> wrote in message news:%O0Ta.16329$***@lakeread02...
>>
>>
>> eh, i'm not sure it applies anymore...i'm a [rising] junior in high
> school,
>> and i've spent every free moment online since about fourth grade. i
> started
>> out reading newsgroups; this is actually the first time i've done
> newsgroups
>> in years...^^; and sorry about my lack of capitalization; it's a habit i
>> picked up when my cat spilled coke in my keyboard and my shift key started
>> to stick.
>>
>>
>
> dude, it's ok.. you don't have to apologize for little shit like that.. no
> biggie


THE STEVE IS NOT TO BE TRUSTED. LONG LIVE CINEMA
TERRORISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DEMENTED FOREVER!!!!!!!!!


np: The Locust - How to Become a Virgin
--
. \ ` ' / .
._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling
[()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net
/_____\
Justified

[car]

"Loki Ambrodious von Esling" <[e-mail]> wrote in
message news:[e-mail]...
>
>
> THE STEVE IS NOT TO BE TRUSTED. LONG LIVE CINEMA
> TERRORISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DEMENTED FOREVER!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> np: The Locust - How to Become a Virgin
> --
> . \ ` ' / .
> ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling
> [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net
> /_____\

...and i'm supposed to trust someone whose 'name' starts with "Loki"?...

--
car

[Loki Ambrodious von Esling]

In article <N11Ta.16342$***@lakeread02>, car wrote:
>
>
> ...and i'm supposed to trust someone whose 'name' starts with "Loki"?...
>

It's my real name Goddamnit! I knew three other Lokis outside of Dresden
too. Geez!


--
. \ ` ' / .
._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling
[()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net
/_____\
Justified

[Michael Mierzwa]

Loki Ambrodious von Esling wrote:

> In article <N11Ta.16342$***@lakeread02>, car wrote:
>>
>>...and i'm supposed to trust someone whose 'name' starts with "Loki"?...
>
> It's my real name Goddamnit! I knew three other Lokis outside of Dresden
> too. Geez!
>


Funny, I was just about to say that "Loki" is to a _goth_ as Michael,
John, or Dave is to a Canadian, eh.

So, how many "Ravenbats" are there outside of Dresden? ;)


Michael

[car]

"Loki Ambrodious von Esling" <[e-mail]> wrote in
message news:[e-mail]...
> In article <N11Ta.16342$***@lakeread02>, car wrote:
> >
> >
> > ...and i'm supposed to trust someone whose 'name' starts with "Loki"?...
> >
>
> It's my real name Goddamnit! I knew three other Lokis outside of Dresden
> too. Geez!
>
>
> --
> . \ ` ' / .
> ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling
> [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net
> /_____\
> Justified

heh, even if it isn't your real name, i was just joking. i think it's a
rather uberniftacular name, if it is indeed your real one.
excellent, carry on. or something.

--
car

[Loki Ambrodious von Esling]

In article <%j1Ta.16357$***@lakeread02>, car wrote:
>
>
> heh, even if it isn't your real name, i was just joking. i think it's a
> rather uberniftacular name, if it is indeed your real one.
> excellent, carry on. or something.
>

and carry on we shalt. List your current music highlights of which you
find interest in

--
. \ ` ' / .
._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling
[()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net
/_____\
Justified

[car]

"Loki Ambrodious von Esling" <[e-mail]> wrote in
message news:[e-mail]...
>
> and carry on we shalt. List your current music highlights of which you
> find interest in
>
> --
> . \ ` ' / .
> ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling
> [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net
> /_____\
> Justified

er...haven't listened to a whole lot recently; it's summer, so i've spent a
great deal of my time sleeping. also i've spent a lot more of my HD space on
the ebm side of things, though i've been hoping to expand my horizons a bit
more...eh. probably the last music i...obtained...was [active] media
disease. i'm mostly here to learn about stuff. i like learning.

--
car

[Loki Ambrodious von Esling]

In article <wr1Ta.16364$***@lakeread02>, car wrote:
>
> "Loki Ambrodious von Esling" <[e-mail]> wrote in
> message news:[e-mail]...
>>
>> and carry on we shalt. List your current music highlights of which you
>> find interest in
>>
> er...haven't listened to a whole lot recently; it's summer, so i've spent a
> great deal of my time sleeping. also i've spent a lot more of my HD space on
> the ebm side of things, though i've been hoping to expand my horizons a bit
> more...eh. probably the last music i...obtained...was [active] media
> disease. i'm mostly here to learn about stuff. i like learning.
>

learn how to buy music!

--
. \ ` ' / .
._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling
[()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net
/_____\
Justified

[car]

"Loki Ambrodious von Esling" <[e-mail]> wrote in
message news:[e-mail]...
>
> learn how to buy music!
>
> --
> . \ ` ' / .
> ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling
> [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net
> /_____\
> Justified

...i have no money. no source of income. i have no job, because i am in
summerschool and cannot yet drive (because i'm lazy). i buy music when i
have money to. i listen to a lot of music, most of it's just in mp3 form,
and i haven't listened to much this summer.

--
car

[Loki Ambrodious von Esling]

In article <hD1Ta.16375$***@lakeread02>, car wrote:
>
> ...i have no money. no source of income. i have no job, because i am in
> summerschool and cannot yet drive (because i'm lazy).

you're halfway to a blues song there, i suggest you find a musicly
inclined friend and record damnit!

--
. \ ` ' / .
._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling
[()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net
/_____\
Justified

[car]

"Loki Ambrodious von Esling" <[e-mail]> wrote in
message news:[e-mail]...
>
> you're halfway to a blues song there, i suggest you find a musicly
> inclined friend and record damnit!
>
> --
> . \ ` ' / .
> ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling
> [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net
> /_____\
> Justified

*xn0rt* i'd like to retain the shreds of my dignity, thanks. i've been
playing piano for 10 years and i still suck, so eh. i cannot write music or
lyrics. pie!!!

relatively complete list of what i listen to:
[active] media disease, aghast view, and one, aphex twin, apoptygma berzerk,
assemblage 23, blutengel, cesium 137, claire voyant, clan of xymox, cleaner,
clear vision, cleen, concrete nature, conscious structure, covenant,
crocodile shop, cut.rate.box, cydonia, das ich, delerium, depeche mode,
diary of dreams, din_fiv, dismantled, einsturzende neubauten, fictional,
flesh field, front 242, front line assembly, haujobb, hmb, icon of coil,
imperative reaction, in strict confidence, informatik, leaether strip,
lights of euphoria, melotron, narcoma, ncc, neuroactive, neuroticfish,
nintendo remixes, noise unit, noxious emotion, ohgr, omnibox, orbital, pain
station, perfidious words, project pitchfork, razed in black, rob d[ougan],
seabound, skinny puppy, skold, terminal choice, the aversion, the
cruxshadows, the cure, thirteen13, thoushaltnot, vast, vnv nation,
:wumpscut:, x marks the pedwalk

...as i said, mostly on the ebm side of things...

--
car

[Michael Mierzwa]

car wrote:


> relatively complete list of what i listen to:
> [active] media disease, aghast view, and one, aphex twin, apoptygma berzerk,
> assemblage 23, blutengel, cesium 137, claire voyant, clan of xymox, cleaner,
> clear vision, cleen, concrete nature, conscious structure, covenant,
> crocodile shop, cut.rate.box, cydonia, das ich, delerium, depeche mode,
> diary of dreams, din_fiv, dismantled, einsturzende neubauten, fictional,
> flesh field, front 242, front line assembly, haujobb, hmb, icon of coil,
> imperative reaction, in strict confidence, informatik, leaether strip,
> lights of euphoria, melotron, narcoma, ncc, neuroactive, neuroticfish,
> nintendo remixes, noise unit, noxious emotion, ohgr, omnibox, orbital, pain
> station, perfidious words, project pitchfork, razed in black, rob d[ougan],
> seabound, skinny puppy, skold, terminal choice, the aversion, the
> cruxshadows, the cure, thirteen13, thoushaltnot, vast, vnv nation,
> :wumpscut:, x marks the pedwalk
>
> ...as i said, mostly on the ebm side of things...


Actually I'll comment on that list:
very nice!

If you're looking for a few suggestions from newer acts (assuming of
course that you've not already decided you don't like 'em), try:

stromkern :: armageddon (out on wtii records)

I think many US club DJs should have a stromkern track or two that you
could ask for them to play. Anyway, then from there, one of the
stromkern guys has a non-EBM (I have no idea what genre to call it)
project called Monstrum Sepsis. Find MS's "deep sea creatures". It is
certainly interesting.

I'm sure you've heard suicide commando and velvet acid christ, but
noticed they weren't on your list. But really like one of suicide
commando's older albums "stored images". I found mine used, so many you
can (though not having a car in the US can really suck).

I've not listened to their new album, but Aghast View's "phaseknox" is
worth listening too. I wouldn't call it amazing, but it falls into that
category "EBM not on car's list yet". ;)

I also love the Retrosic's "Messa da Requiem" EP out on tribune records.

And for a few more non-EBM recommendations: request some p.a.l (I like
his "release" album), mlada fronta, or asche. High energy, and loads of
fun.

If you like guitar based music, I just saw Hanzel und Gretyl, and their
new "uber alles" tour was a blast.

For the older stuff, there are plenty of people here who can come up
with much better recommendations. Personally I hope they do, as I'll
make a point of listening to them as well. (And forutnately I have a
car and some cash. I know, totally unfair, but you'll get money and
transportation some day too. I hated college as I was so poor that
dinner often was the free pizza slice you got when giving blood!)

Michael

[car]

"Michael Mierzwa" <***@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:***@ix.netcom.com...
>
> Actually I'll comment on that list:
> very nice!
>
> If you're looking for a few suggestions from newer acts (assuming of
> course that you've not already decided you don't like 'em), try:
>
> stromkern :: armageddon (out on wtii records)
>
> I think many US club DJs should have a stromkern track or two that you
> could ask for them to play. Anyway, then from there, one of the
> stromkern guys has a non-EBM (I have no idea what genre to call it)
> project called Monstrum Sepsis. Find MS's "deep sea creatures". It is
> certainly interesting.
>
> I'm sure you've heard suicide commando and velvet acid christ, but
> noticed they weren't on your list. But really like one of suicide
> commando's older albums "stored images". I found mine used, so many you
> can (though not having a car in the US can really suck).
>
> I've not listened to their new album, but Aghast View's "phaseknox" is
> worth listening too. I wouldn't call it amazing, but it falls into that
> category "EBM not on car's list yet". ;)
>
> I also love the Retrosic's "Messa da Requiem" EP out on tribune records.
>
> And for a few more non-EBM recommendations: request some p.a.l (I like
> his "release" album), mlada fronta, or asche. High energy, and loads of
> fun.
>
> If you like guitar based music, I just saw Hanzel und Gretyl, and their
> new "uber alles" tour was a blast.
>
> For the older stuff, there are plenty of people here who can come up
> with much better recommendations. Personally I hope they do, as I'll
> make a point of listening to them as well. (And forutnately I have a
> car and some cash. I know, totally unfair, but you'll get money and
> transportation some day too. I hated college as I was so poor that
> dinner often was the free pizza slice you got when giving blood!)
>
> Michael
>

thankyou muchly :) yeah, i've listened to some suicide commando, and liked
some, but didn't really like the majority of what i'd heard, so i didn't
list them. as for the other ones, i'll take a listen sometime; didn't find
myself too fond of stromkern other than a couple of songs, and i have yet to
hear hanzel und gretyl.
heh, i do have a car; my mother got a new car and the old one has been
dubbed mine. the problem is, i've been far too lazy to go to the dmv and get
a permit/license, or i could've been driving a while ago. oh well.
thanks again for suggestions and comments and all that wee type of stuff.

--
car

[Michael Mierzwa]

car wrote:

> "Michael Mierzwa" <***@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:***@ix.netcom.com...


>>project called Monstrum Sepsis. Find MS's "deep sea creatures". It is
>>certainly interesting.

> thankyou muchly :) yeah, i've listened to some suicide commando, and liked
> some, but didn't really like the majority of what i'd heard, so i didn't
> list them. as for the other ones, i'll take a listen sometime; didn't find
> myself too fond of stromkern other than a couple of songs, and i have yet to
> hear hanzel und gretyl.

Actually, I was hoping to use Stromkern as a way to trick you into being
curious about Monstrum Sepsis, and then maybe to other non-EBM things.
;) Not that EBM is bad, but based on your list, it looked like you
already know how to find it. Keep listening to it, I certainly do.

The Suicide Commando I recommended isn't that old, but has the virtue of
being played less often at many clubs. It is of no surprise that some
people (like me), quickly find themselves disliking overplayed stuff
(like SC's 'mindstrip' material).

Samples of HuG's latest album are on their website:

http://www.hanzelundgretyl.com/

The site requires flash player. Honestly I didn't care for what I heard
there at first, but did hear one track on one of KDVS's industrial shows
and liked it enough to give them a second chance. Now I love the album.

Michael

[Paul's penis is HELL, boy.]

Sound Mirror wrote:
> car <***@cox.net> wrote in message news:Nw3Ta.16459$***@lakeread02...
>
>>heh, i do have a car; my mother got a new car and the old one has been
>>dubbed mine. the problem is, i've been far too lazy to go to the dmv and
>
> get
>
>>a permit/license, or i could've been driving a while ago.
>
>
> don't feel bad.. i didn't take driver's ed til I was 17, and I didn't get my
> lisence until halfway between 18 and 19

wow! they done got cars in pennsyltucky?
--
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g4sm4sk: oh yes, according to the brb site,
you are going to be in the Electronic Music
Hall of Fame in Tamaqua, PA

[Girl the Bourgeois Individualist]

"Sound Mirror" <***@KMFDM.+++++.COM> wrote in message
news:jM3Ta.116181$***@sccrnsc01...
>
> car <***@cox.net> wrote in message news:Nw3Ta.16459$***@lakeread02...
> >
> > heh, i do have a car; my mother got a new car and the old one has been
> > dubbed mine. the problem is, i've been far too lazy to go to the dmv and
> get
> > a permit/license, or i could've been driving a while ago.
>
> don't feel bad.. i didn't take driver's ed til I was 17, and I didn't get my
> lisence until halfway between 18 and 19
>
Strange American people. I'm 28 and can't drive, nor have I any wish to (I
live in London, there's a Tube, why would I want or need to?)

Girl.

[Paul's penis is HELL, boy.]

Girl the Bourgeois Individualist wrote:

> "Sound Mirror" <***@KMFDM.+++++.COM> wrote in message
> news:jM3Ta.116181$***@sccrnsc01...
>
>>car <***@cox.net> wrote in message news:Nw3Ta.16459$***@lakeread02...
>>
>>>heh, i do have a car; my mother got a new car and the old one has been
>>>dubbed mine. the problem is, i've been far too lazy to go to the dmv and
>>
>>get
>>
>>>a permit/license, or i could've been driving a while ago.
>>
>>don't feel bad.. i didn't take driver's ed til I was 17, and I didn't get my
>>lisence until halfway between 18 and 19
>>
>
> Strange American people. I'm 28 and can't drive, nor have I any wish to (I
> live in London, there's a Tube, why would I want or need to?)

you warrant a car when it's no less than 10 miles each way to go
anywhere useful, and public transportation is a joke :^P
--
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AIM: WhoKilledtheJAMs
dukncovr at kmfdm dot com
http://www.rit.edu/~pmy5192
http://fleischbackstein.iuma.com
http://brb.whereshitler.com


g4sm4sk: oh yes, according to the brb site,
you are going to be in the Electronic Music
Hall of Fame in Tamaqua, PA

[Girl the Bourgeois Individualist]

"car" <***@cox.net> wrote in message news:SS1Ta.16387$***@lakeread02...
>
> relatively complete list of what i listen to:
> [active] media disease, aghast view, and one, aphex twin, apoptygma berzerk,
> assemblage 23, blutengel, cesium 137, claire voyant, clan of xymox, cleaner,
> clear vision, cleen, concrete nature, conscious structure, covenant,
> crocodile shop, cut.rate.box, cydonia, das ich, delerium, depeche mode,
> diary of dreams, din_fiv, dismantled, einsturzende neubauten, fictional,
> flesh field, front 242, front line assembly, haujobb, hmb, icon of coil,
> imperative reaction, in strict confidence, informatik, leaether strip,
> lights of euphoria, melotron, narcoma, ncc, neuroactive, neuroticfish,
> nintendo remixes, noise unit, noxious emotion, ohgr, omnibox, orbital, pain
> station, perfidious words, project pitchfork, razed in black, rob d[ougan],
> seabound, skinny puppy, skold, terminal choice, the aversion, the
> cruxshadows, the cure, thirteen13, thoushaltnot, vast, vnv nation,
> :wumpscut:, x marks the pedwalk
>
> ...as i said, mostly on the ebm side of things...
>
Wot, no Hungry Lucy??? Get thee behind me philistine ;-)

Girl (just listened to their debut over the weekend for the first time in
ages, god they're good).

[Veni Vidi Exii]

"car" <***@cox.net> wrote in
news:N11Ta.16342$***@lakeread02:
<snip every post you've made tonight>

Stop quoting sig files.
--
-Chris

np: M83 - In Church
"The 80s sucked in the 80s, and they still suck now."
-Shakey Mo Collier

[member0]

Michael Mierzwa wrote:
> Would it be fair to say that the complaint isn't that playlists are
> being posted, but that because of a lack of content, they dominate the
> newsgroup?

I'd say so. Although even if the content was much higher, and whoever
didn't want to read playlists was still irritated by them, they could
always put a filter on all posts with the word "playlist" (or
whatever) in the topic line.

No excuse for complaining really....

[Veni Vidi Exii]

***@mac.com (member0) wrote in
news:***@posting.google.com:

> they could always put a filter on all
> posts with the word "playlist" (or whatever) in the topic
> line.

Many playlists don't include the term in the subject line. And
many DJs seem to have a habit of regularly altering their
identity on Usenet, making individual killfiles useless.
--
-Chris
"The 80s sucked in the 80s, and they still suck now."
-Shakey Mo Collier

[Sound Mirror]

Girl the Bourgeois Individualist <***@NOSPAMsortedmagazine.com> wrote in
message news:ga%Qa.10017$***@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net...
> >
> > hey, i'm just here for discussion/conversation.. not here to put anyone
> > down, call anyone names, or otherwise flame anyone.
> >
> Can't have that, you'll ruin RMI's bear-pit reputation!
>

haha, you got a point there, i guess :-P
:-)

[Crudbreeder]

Girl the Bourgeois Individualist wrote:
>
> >
> > "old shool" industrial is pre-may-1981 (when throbbing gristle broke up)
> >
> Do I detect a flaw in the classic elitist line that NOTHING was industrial
> after '81? If that's true, how can there be an old school, as there's no new
> school.

Hush, not so loud :)

--
"doggystyle isn't just for americans, doggystyle is for everyone!"
~Jesster

[Girl the Bourgeois Individualist]

"Crudbreeder" <***@psynet.net> wrote in message
news:***@psynet.net...
> Girl the Bourgeois Individualist wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > "old shool" industrial is pre-may-1981 (when throbbing gristle broke up)
> > >
> > Do I detect a flaw in the classic elitist line that NOTHING was industrial
> > after '81? If that's true, how can there be an old school, as there's no
new
> > school.
>
> Hush, not so loud :)
>
Better not mention the FAQ then, even I have problems with that :-) Though,
honestly, anyone interested in working on an updated version?

Girl.

[Loki Ambrodious von Esling]

In article <z9%Qa.10015$***@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net>, Girl the Bourgeois Individualist wrote:
>
> "Crudbreeder" <***@psynet.net> wrote in message
> news:***@psynet.net...
>> Girl the Bourgeois Individualist wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > "old shool" industrial is pre-may-1981 (when throbbing gristle broke up)
>> > >
>> > Do I detect a flaw in the classic elitist line that NOTHING was industrial
>> > after '81? If that's true, how can there be an old school, as there's no
> new
>> > school.
>>
>> Hush, not so loud :)
>>
> Better not mention the FAQ then, even I have problems with that :-) Though,
> honestly, anyone interested in working on an updated version?
>

i have the faq hosted in it's latest edition...
www.relst8.net/rmifaq.htm i think...

--
Loki Ambrodious von Esling -|-
RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net |

[Girl the Bourgeois Individualist]

"Loki Ambrodious von Esling" <[e-mail]> wrote in
message news:[e-mail]...
> >>
> >> Hush, not so loud :)
> >>
> > Better not mention the FAQ then, even I have problems with that :-)
Though,
> > honestly, anyone interested in working on an updated version?
> >
>
> i have the faq hosted in it's latest edition...
> www.relst8.net/rmifaq.htm i think...
>
LOL.

Girl.

[Loki Ambrodious von Esling]

In article <bet59g$h5e$***@freenet9.carleton.ca>, Jamie Rosen wrote:
> "Sound Mirror" (***@KMFDM.+++++.COM) writes:
>> Crudbreeder <***@psynet.net> wrote in message
>> news:***@psynet.net...
>>>
>>> *hits steve with the big ole clue bat*
>>
>> i know kraftwerk aren't particularly "industrial"... but when i use that
>> term, I refer to what most people term post-industrial music.
>
> But Kraftwerk are pre-industrial by the hardline definition of
> "industrial", aren't they?
>

but but...they are THE ROBOTS!

--
Loki Ambrodious von Esling -|-
RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net |

[Pandora]

Loki Ambrodious von Esling wrote:
>
> In article <bet59g$h5e$***@freenet9.carleton.ca>, Jamie Rosen wrote:
> > "Sound Mirror" (***@KMFDM.+++++.COM) writes:
> >> Crudbreeder <***@psynet.net> wrote in message
> >> news:***@psynet.net...
> >>>
> >>> *hits steve with the big ole clue bat*
> >>
> >> i know kraftwerk aren't particularly "industrial"... but when i use that
> >> term, I refer to what most people term post-industrial music.
> >
> > But Kraftwerk are pre-industrial by the hardline definition of
> > "industrial", aren't they?
> >
>
> but but...they are THE ROBOTS!

Cha, cha, cha!

Meep!

Rachel (my contribution for the month) :)

[Locke]

Girl the Bourgeois Individualist wrote:
> On a related note of returning Old Schoolers, the Weathermen are back
> together - http://www.theweathermen.net (they're currently hunting for a label
> to release their rather cracking new album).

Were the Weathermen ever in personal contact with any old schoolers?
Not that I would know ...

CU,
Locke

NP: In the Nursery "Deco"
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[Girl the Bourgeois Individualist]

"Locke" <***@scientist.com> wrote in message
news:***@scientist.com...
> Girl the Bourgeois Individualist wrote:
> > On a related note of returning Old Schoolers, the Weathermen are back
> > together - http://www.theweathermen.net (they're currently hunting for a
label
> > to release their rather cracking new album).
>
> Were the Weathermen ever in personal contact with any old schoolers?
> Not that I would know ...
>
Yup, Jimmy Joe Snark, AKA Jean-Marc Lederman, did mixing/production work with
Front 242, particularly on "Fuck Off Evil" and "Angels Vs Animals".

Girl.

[Locke]

Girl the Bourgeois Individualist wrote:
> "Locke" <***@scientist.com> wrote ...
> > Girl the Bourgeois Individualist wrote:
> > > On a related note of returning Old Schoolers, the Weathermen are back
> > > together - http://www.theweathermen.net (they're currently hunting for a label
> > > to release their rather cracking new album).
> >
> > Were the Weathermen ever in personal contact with any old schoolers?
> > Not that I would know ...
>
> Yup, Jimmy Joe Snark, AKA Jean-Marc Lederman, did mixing/production work with
> Front 242, particularly on "Fuck Off Evil" and "Angels Vs Animals".

All I can say is that you have a very strange definition of "old school"
there ...

CU,
Locke

NP: Throbbing Gristle "TG 24 : Live @ Highbury Roundhouse, London"
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[Locke]

Sound Mirror wrote:
> Front 242, which began in 1981, is not "old school"? Coulda fooled me...

Well, the term "old school2 is more a stylistic classification
rather than a matter of years. And in an industrial discussion
forum I's associate "old school" with stuff along the lines of
Throbbing Gristle, early Cabaret Voltaire, NON, early Laibach,
Neubauten, Nurse With Wound and so on.

EBM and synthpop bands like Front 242, Nitzer Ebb or The
Weathermen are clearly different.

CU,
Locke

NP: Throbbing Gristle "TG 24 : Live @ Rat Club, Valentino Rooms, London"
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